Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-17 Diskussionsfäden Zorg 421
Hey you're all implying BGP = full routing table. BGP with just a single default route on a cheap link may be a good idea. A proven L3 link failure detection mechanism implemented on a wide range of boxes (standardized!) ___ swinog mailing list

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-06 Diskussionsfäden Andre Keller
Talking about a small local ISP we helped put together, we used some relatively low-end pc's running OpenBSD+OpenBGPd on flashdist (openbsd read-only on DiskOnModule flash disk). This was about 3 years ago. The machine has a Celeron 2.4Ghz and 512Mb of RAM, and today, getting full

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Reza Kordi
Thank you all for the cool ideas and even better quotes that I received today. Of course I understand that some comments were coming from those who are making their profits specially on BGP interconnects. If you need BGP buy my expensive LL is the wrong idea pal. -Original Message-

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Fredy Kuenzler
Reza Kordi schrieb: Thank you all for the cool ideas and even better quotes that I received today. Of course I understand that some comments were coming from those who are making their profits specially on BGP interconnects. If you need BGP buy my expensive LL is the wrong idea pal. To

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Lukas Beeler
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 19:08, Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: Remember http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog7/BGP_filtering-swinog.ppt - in I just skimmed through that, and i wonder if it's still current. There's some talk about requiring about 128MB of memory, and budget concerns of

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Reza Kordi
Of Fredy Kuenzler Sent: Donnerstag, 5. März 2009 19:08 To: swi...@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who? Reza Kordi schrieb: Thank you all for the cool ideas and even better quotes that I received today. Of course I understand that some comments were coming from

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Lukas Beeler wrote: [..] I understand that routers use ASICs and probably faster memory than servers, but i can't really imagine it to be a problem to pop 4GB memory into a router that's connected directly to the internet. Now, where am i mistaken? The fact that you then also have to handle

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Fredy Kuenzler
Lukas Beeler schrieb: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 19:08, Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: Remember http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog7/BGP_filtering-swinog.ppt - in I just skimmed through that, and i wonder if it's still current. Yes it is. Of course BOGONs are outdated, but the

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden ueli heuer
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:08:08 +0100 Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: Everybody: please don't offer BGP over DSL polluting the BGP table for CHF 20 or 40 net revenue. There are other redundancy options and backup solutions using xDSL. BGP over SDSL works fine. But you shouldn't run BGP

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink
On 05.03.2009, at 19:28, Lukas Beeler wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 19:08, Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: Remember http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog7/BGP_filtering-swinog.ppt - in I just skimmed through that, and i wonder if it's still current. There's some talk about

Re: [swinog] BGP over xDSL ... is evil? says who?

2009-03-05 Diskussionsfäden Daniele Guazzoni
Lukas Beeler wrote: Now, even expensive FB-DIMM memory by vendors like HP and IBM only costs around 360 CHF for 4 GB. And even small two way x86 boxes max out at around 32 - 48 GB. Even if Cisco and Juniper charge 10x as much, that'd still be only 3600 CHF. I understand that routers use