Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-30 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
/cOn Wed, 2005-06-29 at 19:31 +0200, Beat Rubischon wrote: Hello! Am 28.06.05 schrieb Daniel Lorch: Do you have more information? This documents were very short and summarized Sender-ID very well: ... Thanks for the links. Indeed nice M$-marketing. And here is the part which

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-29 Diskussionsfäden Beat Rubischon
Hello! Am 28.06.05 schrieb Daniel Lorch: Do you have more information? This documents were very short and summarized Sender-ID very well: ... Thanks for the links. And here is the part which is incompatible with Classic SPF. The records are the same, but while Classic SPF ONLY used them

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-28 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 03:44 +0200, Daniel Lorch wrote: SNIP M$ marketing bull, yup in this case I don't like the M$ way... Coincidentially, I checked aol.com's SPF record today and I found this. I don't have the full bigger picture yet, but I believe these are Classic SPF records AND a

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-27 Diskussionsfäden Beat Rubischon
Hello! Am 26.06.05 schrieb Jeroen Massar: http://www.mail-spf.org/ Which has quite some up-to-date info. There is a lot of political and rare technical discussions on the net. I found a nice discussion while Googeling: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/spf/deployment/13622 I was

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-27 Diskussionsfäden Jean-Pierre Schwickerath
There is a 'small' problem with this. AOL uses SPFv1, while Microsoft is pushing SPFv2, which is not really SPFv2, but their own version of the thing which clashes with the real SPFv1 (openspf.org one) also called classic and that is the one people have been deploying the last 2 years, not

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-27 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Lorch
Hi I'm still looking for a deeper explanation. The one I found at Microsoft [1] exactly explains SPF as I know and the wizard [2] creates the same records as the wizard on spf.pobox.com. [1] http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/safety/technologies/senderid/default.mspx [2]

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-27 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Lorch
Hi The Sender ID Framework (SIDF) is the name of the product, not the technology. SIDF uses SPF records and solves some of the problems with forwarding mails and stuff by introducing new mail headers and a new command in the SMTP transaction, which allows you to do all the funky SPF

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-27 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Lorch
Hi http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8FE5AAF3-6E5B-478C-9303-6E1E9BBEC94Ddisplaylang=en Reminds me: microsoft.com is definately not Cool URI compliant :) http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html Daniel ___ swinog mailing

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-26 Diskussionsfäden Jean-Pierre Schwickerath
Ignore it and if a hotmail customer complains to you, tell them their hotmail SPAM filter is busted and you can not do anything against it. The hotmail users should start yelling at Microsoft and not at anybody else. I wouldn't see it so bad. First, they'll start in november which leaves

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-26 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 13:06 +0200, Jean-Pierre Schwickerath wrote: Ignore it and if a hotmail customer complains to you, tell them their hotmail SPAM filter is busted and you can not do anything against it. The hotmail users should start yelling at Microsoft and not at anybody else.

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-26 Diskussionsfäden Andre Oppermann
Jean-Pierre Schwickerath wrote: Ignore it and if a hotmail customer complains to you, tell them their hotmail SPAM filter is busted and you can not do anything against it. The hotmail users should start yelling at Microsoft and not at anybody else. I wouldn't see it so bad. First,

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-26 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 15:52 +0200, Beat Rubischon wrote: Hello! Am 26.06.05 schrieb Jeroen Massar: There is a 'small' problem with this. AOL uses SPFv1, while Microsoft is pushing SPFv2, which is not really SPFv2, but their own version of the thing which clashes with the real SPFv1

Re: [swinog] hotmail requires sender id

2005-06-25 Diskussionsfäden Claudio Jeker
On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 10:22:46PM +0200, Chris Burri wrote: http://www.infoweek.ch/news/NW_single.cfm?news_ID=11162sid=0 darn renegades from Redmond again Ignore it and if a hotmail customer complains to you, tell them their hotmail SPAM filter is busted and you can not do anything