Re: [swinog] Extraction fees

2011-11-14 Diskussionsfäden vwatson
this sounds (pardon my French everyone!) more like an INSERTION tnan an extraction! Cheers! Vinnie -Original Message- From: Will van Gulik [mailto:mailing-por...@porcus.ch] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 02:56 AM To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] Extraction fees Hi Pim

Re: [swinog] Extraction fees

2011-11-14 Diskussionsfäden Pim van Pelt
Hoi, Thank you to all who responded. As an additional note to this and considering the question came up a lot: there was not a contract for this project, it was employee-initiated in 2007 and management terminated in 2011, and there were no bills until after the equipment stopped pinging (ie the

Re: [swinog] Extraction fees

2011-11-14 Diskussionsfäden vwatson
-Original Message- From: Pim van Pelt [mailto:p...@ipng.nl] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 04:03 AM To: swi...@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] Extraction fees Hoi, Thank you to all who responded. As an additional note to this and considering the question came up a lot

Re: [swinog] Extraction fees

2011-11-14 Diskussionsfäden Michael Horn
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:40:34 + vwat...@dancendrumarts.com wrote: Don't stand for this, Mate! Contact an attourney straightaway. What Vinnie says. Don't fall for it. It's unusual, unethical and likely illegal too. If you have proof of ownership for the hardware, try to get it out without

[swinog] Extraction fees

2011-11-13 Diskussionsfäden Pim van Pelt
Hi NOG! An ISP that I have had a ~4y relationship with has recently terminated the hosting for a small number of servers (3x 1U machine and a switch and a console server). For a while they were not able to return my equipment to me, but now they have sent me a friendly letter asking me to pay a

Re: [swinog] Extraction fees

2011-11-13 Diskussionsfäden Stephen Wilcox
Hey Pim! [IANAL] but what does the contract say? If its not in there, or if there's no contract then I don't see what basis they have for raising any charges and holding your property (which in most jurisdictions they cant do unless you gave them an explicit right / lien in the contract). I'd

Re: [swinog] Extraction fees

2011-11-13 Diskussionsfäden Will van Gulik
Hi Pim, First, I'm thinking that 16 hours and 2 (other) guys for 3 servers and some network devices looks a bit heavy. Maybe that's what they are counting for the time spent for those two guys. My point of view is that if they act like that after a long work period, it might be a