Re: [sword-devel] OSIS Users Manual considered confusing

2012-03-04 Thread David Haslam
Thanks Michael, I have added a brief description of haiola to http://crosswire.org/wiki/File_Formats#USFX David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/OSIS-Users-Manual-considered-confusing-tp4441335p4443190.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS Users Manual considered confusing

2012-03-04 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 4.3.2012 02:37, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: [*] After I wrote that paragraph, it occurred to me: I wonder how many people today are not even _aware_ that there was a battle over some years, over what kind of worldwide internetworking should be put to use? And how many people even in the computer

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS Users Manual considered confusing

2012-03-04 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 4.3.2012 03:09, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: I'm really not trying to sell anything. I make no money on file formats, and it really doesn't affect me one way or the other if you use it or not. I'm just trying to share good advice based on my experience. Take it or leave it. I am sorry,

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS transChange and writing systems without italics?

2012-03-04 Thread David Haslam
Any takers? -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/OSIS-transChange-and-writing-systems-without-italics-tp4437877p4443485.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list:

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Patrick Zimmermann
Hey, this is great news. Thank you. If the rendering produced by xiphos or bibletime is at least some sort of acceptable I'll change the module I'm developing at the moment to use the syntax. Mostly additions, removals and alternatives are affected. Thanks again, Patrick On Sunday, 4. March

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Daniel Owens
I did some testing of several of the major front-ends (sorry, I do not have a Mac or iPhone). I posted the results at http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles/BSPExample#Level_of_Support_by_Front-ends. Overall feature support is strongest in BPBible, followed

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread David Haslam
http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Talk:OSIS_Bibles/BSPExample#xulsword Anyone not already familiar with xulsword might be pleasantly surprised. I like it - but then I'm biased - I also have an interest in Central Asia. David -- View this message in context:

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS Users Manual considered confusing

2012-03-04 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 04/03/12 09:20, David Haslam wrote: I have added a brief description of haiola to http://crosswire.org/wiki/File_Formats#USFX I have deleted it. There is no need to link to programmes which do nothing of relevance to any format we are ever likely to encounter. The page is meant to assist

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS transChange and writing systems without italics?

2012-03-04 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 04/03/12 14:03, David Haslam wrote: Any takers? Do we actually know what happens to Chinese text framed by an i in HTML? Peter ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS transChange and writing systems without italics?

2012-03-04 Thread Greg Hellings
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote: On 04/03/12 14:03, David Haslam wrote: Any takers? Do we actually know what happens to Chinese text framed by an i in HTML? Does it really matter? We shouldn't be dictating the method of indication for transChange elements

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS transChange and writing systems without italics?

2012-03-04 Thread David Haslam
Greg, It does matter - my questions were primarily addressed to front-end developers. It matters because even if all we do is provide the semantic markup, it makes sense for front-ends to do the same thing as the publishers' printed editions do for such things. If we don't know because we

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS transChange and writing systems without italics?

2012-03-04 Thread Greg Hellings
My response was to Peter's inquiry, not your initial set of questions. The behavior of the HTML i element should be a moot point, as it should not be used to render an OSIS transChange element in the first place. --Greg On Mar 4, 2012 3:59 PM, David Haslam dfh...@googlemail.com wrote: Greg,

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS transChange and writing systems without italics?

2012-03-04 Thread David Haslam
Read this useful article. http://epeuthutebetes.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/chinese-serif-italics/ It begins, There is currently no Chinese equivalent of italics used for emphasis. Simply slanting the characters is not only inadequate (and bad-looking), as in Western languages, but ignorant of the

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread DM Smith
The next release of Bible Desktop supports/displays book and chapter introductions. It is available now as a nightly build. How well the nightly build works on any given day is possibly broken. AndBible will probably support it once JSword is released. -- DM On Mar 4, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Daniel

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Greg Hellings
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Greg Hellings greg.helli...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have a compiled version of the module up anywhere? I'm very surprised by the claim that Xiphos, BibleTime, and BibleCS do not support canonical titles. Both KJV and ESV display their Psalm titles just fine in

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Daniel Owens
On 03/04/2012 04:24 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: On 03/04/2012 11:08 AM, Daniel Owens wrote: But BibleTime, Xiphos, and BibleCS simply do not display the text of Canonical psalm titles. That is a severe bug. Wow. That is a scary bug! I guess that means that for now, it is not OK to

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Daniel Owens
Greg, Take a look at the OSIS file and the compiled module at https://sites.google.com/site/danielowensstuff/Home/test.zip?attredirects=0d=1. Just to be sure that I was not making an outlandish claim, I deleted type=psalm canonical=true from the title element, compiled the module, and

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Daniel Owens
That is wonderful news. I have not been updating to the nightly build for awhile, so I downloaded the latest, but the test module does not display at all. I am not sure what to make of that, but it is a rather unorthodox module in that it only has a little bit of content. Daniel On

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Daniel Owens
A couple of additional clarifications: I am running vanilla SWORD on Linux Mint, so I am running osis2mod rev 2478. Also, this module has content in Gen 1:1-5, Ps 3:1-2, and Mark 1:14-15. Daniel On 03/04/2012 05:14 PM, Daniel Owens wrote: Greg, Take a look at the OSIS file and the compiled

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread DM Smith
Daniel, I downloaded the module from the link you provided, but it was missing some files. It only had the vss files (index files) and no data files. DM On Mar 4, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Daniel Owens wrote: That is wonderful news. I have not been updating to the nightly build for awhile, so I

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread DM Smith
Lets figure out whats going on before recommending this. On Mar 4, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Daniel Owens wrote: On 03/04/2012 04:24 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: On 03/04/2012 11:08 AM, Daniel Owens wrote: But BibleTime, Xiphos, and BibleCS simply do not display the text of Canonical

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Daniel Owens
Gosh, that would explain a few things. :) My shell script creating the zipped module was faulty. I fixed that AND tested it in another SWORD installation, so the module at https://sites.google.com/site/danielowensstuff/Home/test.zip?attredirects=0d=1 should now work. I apologize for the hasty

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread DM Smith
Some really weird stuff going on here in the nightly build of BD. I found Gen 1 in Matt 1, Mark 1 in Genesis chapter 36. Looked through the entire module and didn't find Psalms. Looks like JSword nightly flipped the two testaments. I have something to look forward to this week. -- DM On Mar

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
OK Guys, I spent a little time on this tonight. I've reworked OSISHeadings to be sane. It was an old filter and parsed everything manually; it had never been updated to extend and take advantage of SWBasicFilter. It is much shorter and fairly well commented now. I'm not promising it

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Daniel Owens
On 03/04/2012 06:09 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Daniel Owensdhow...@pmbx.net writes: U... In a fit of freakishness I had not anticipated at all, I just discovered 2 minutes ago that Xiphos has never offered variant support for OSIS at all; the conditional to find variants looked only for

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Daniel Owens
Sounds like fun. :( Back to testing with BD 1.6, I rearranged some of the markup to get it into the text of the Bible to test more properly, and BD jumped to the top of the list with BPBible in terms of feature support. I just had not constructed the test file in the most fair way. It should

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Daniel Owens
Thanks to everyone for responding earnestly to this. Daniel On 03/04/2012 08:07 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: OK Guys, I spent a little time on this tonight. I've reworked OSISHeadings to be sane. It was an old filter and parsed everything manually; it had never been updated to extend and

[sword-devel] Weird Module Behavior

2012-03-04 Thread Greg Hellings
So I'm importing a basic module. It's in imp format with ThML markup sprinkled throughout. The module starts off with the following text http://pastebin.com/NFJ4sNim and I'm importing it with the command imp2vs KJV4W/SL_KJV4W.thml -4 -o KJV4W. However, when I try to read the module with a front

Re: [sword-devel] Weird Module Behavior

2012-03-04 Thread Ben Morgan
Is you module .conf file right? does it specify RawVerse4? God Bless, Ben - For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.” Ezekiel 18:32 (ESV) On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Greg Hellings

Re: [sword-devel] Weird Module Behavior

2012-03-04 Thread Greg Hellings
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Ben Morgan benpmor...@gmail.com wrote: Is you module .conf file right? does it specify RawVerse4? OK, now I'm even more confused. No, the module was calling itself RawText - RawText4 fixed it. Thanks! Thought I had ratted out that bug earlier. Turns out those

Re: [sword-devel] Weird Module Behavior

2012-03-04 Thread Greg Hellings
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Greg Hellings greg.helli...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Ben Morgan benpmor...@gmail.com wrote: Is you module .conf file right? does it specify RawVerse4? OK, now I'm even more confused. No, the module was calling itself RawText - RawText4

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS example

2012-03-04 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Troy A. Griffitts scr...@crosswire.org writes: Karl, I tried it on the new KJV and got stuff out from RenderText. Yes, I confirm that the update makes KJV 2.4 display Psalm headings. Thanx. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org