On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
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> On 30 May 2014 18:25, "Cristian Rodríguez" wrote:
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>> El 30/05/14 13:08, Greg KH escribió:
>> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
>> >> As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
>> >> t
On Sun, 01.06.14 09:10, Samuli Suominen (ssuomi...@gentoo.org) wrote:
> > Also note that at that point we intend to move udev onto kdbus as
> > transport, and get rid of the userspace-to-userspace netlink-based
> > tranport udev used so far. Unless the systemd-haters prepare another
> > kdbus user
On 01/06/14 08:45, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Fri, 30.05.14 04:32, Michael Biebl (mbi...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>> 2014-05-30 4:26 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
>>
>>> You update systemd but you don't update the kernel? How does that make
>>> any sense?
>> There might be very valid reasons why you need to
On Fri, 30.05.14 04:32, Michael Biebl (mbi...@gmail.com) wrote:
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> 2014-05-30 4:26 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
>
> > You update systemd but you don't update the kernel? How does that make
> > any sense?
>
> There might be very valid reasons why you need to stick with the old
> kernel. As said, one ex
On 30 May 2014 18:25, "Cristian Rodríguez" wrote:
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> El 30/05/14 13:08, Greg KH escribió:
> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> >> As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
> >> to load firmware, not udev's.
> >
> > Ok, it turns out there is s
El 30/05/14 13:08, Greg KH escribió:
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
>> As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
>> to load firmware, not udev's.
>
> Ok, it turns out there is still one kernel driver that requires this to
> work properly, so
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
> to load firmware, not udev's.
Ok, it turns out there is still one kernel driver that requires this to
work properly, so we can't delete it just yet :(
Now, if the pe
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 06:05:19PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
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> On 30/05/14 17:13, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:50:50PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >> On 30/05/14 09:17, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> >>> El vie 30 may 2014 01:41:37 CLT, Samuli Suominen escribió:
> On 3
On 30/05/14 17:13, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:50:50PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>> On 30/05/14 09:17, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
>>> El vie 30 may 2014 01:41:37 CLT, Samuli Suominen escribió:
On 30/05/14 04:55, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200,
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:50:50PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
> On 30/05/14 09:17, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> > El vie 30 may 2014 01:41:37 CLT, Samuli Suominen escribió:
> >>
> >> On 30/05/14 04:55, Greg KH wrote:
> >>> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew
> >>> Jędrzejewski-S
On 05/30/2014 02:51 AM, Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 04:41:01AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>2014-05-30 4:32 GMT+02:00 Michael Biebl:
> >2014-05-30 4:26 GMT+02:00 Greg KH:
> >
> >>You update systemd but you don't update the kernel? How does that make
> >>any sense?
> >
> >There mi
On 30/05/14 09:17, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> El vie 30 may 2014 01:41:37 CLT, Samuli Suominen escribió:
>>
>> On 30/05/14 04:55, Greg KH wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew
>>> Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez w
On 30 May 2014 03:10, "Michael Biebl" wrote:
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> 2014-05-30 3:55 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
> > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> >> > As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel
El vie 30 may 2014 01:41:37 CLT, Samuli Suominen escribió:
On 30/05/14 04:55, Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's
On 30/05/14 04:55, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
>>> As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
>>> to load firmware, not udev's.
>> I think this
El 30/05/14 00:17, Michael Biebl escribió:
As a responsible and serious upstream project I expect us to not
gratiously break our downstream users, especially if it can be easily
avoided.
And as already said, the maintenance cost is basically zero.
So your argument is that we should keep code t
2014-05-30 6:02 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 05:00:34AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 07:51:29PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 04:41:01AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> > > 2014-05-30 4:32 GMT+02:00 Michael Biebl :
>> > >
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 05:00:34AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 07:51:29PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 04:41:01AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> > > 2014-05-30 4:32 GMT+02:00 Michael Biebl :
> > > > 2014-05-30 4:26 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
> >
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 07:51:29PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 04:41:01AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> > 2014-05-30 4:32 GMT+02:00 Michael Biebl :
> > > 2014-05-30 4:26 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
> > >
> > >> You update systemd but you don't update the kernel? How does that make
> >
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 04:41:01AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> 2014-05-30 4:32 GMT+02:00 Michael Biebl :
> > 2014-05-30 4:26 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
> >
> >> You update systemd but you don't update the kernel? How does that make
> >> any sense?
> >
> > There might be very valid reasons why you need
2014-05-30 4:32 GMT+02:00 Michael Biebl :
> 2014-05-30 4:26 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
>
>> You update systemd but you don't update the kernel? How does that make
>> any sense?
>
> There might be very valid reasons why you need to stick with the old
> kernel. As said, one example could be that the new on
2014-05-30 4:26 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
> You update systemd but you don't update the kernel? How does that make
> any sense?
There might be very valid reasons why you need to stick with the old
kernel. As said, one example could be that the new one simply doesn't
boot. Requiring lock-step upgrades
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 07:26:47PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 04:10:48AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> > 2014-05-30 3:55 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
> > > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > > wrote:
> > >> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 04:10:48AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> 2014-05-30 3:55 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
> > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> >> > As discussed ad-nauseum previously, i
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:59:39AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 06:55:10PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> > > >
2014-05-30 3:55 GMT+02:00 Greg KH :
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
>> > As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
>> > to load firmware, not udev's.
>> I think th
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 06:55:10PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> > > As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
> > > to load firmware, n
El 29/05/14 21:54, Greg KH escribió:
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
>> As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
>> to load firmware, not udev's.
>> ---
>> Makefile.am | 8
>> configure.ac| 20 --
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:40:52AM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> > As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
> > to load firmware, not udev's.
> I think this patch is a bad idea - it makes things h
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
> to load firmware, not udev's.
> ---
> Makefile.am | 8
> configure.ac| 20
> src/udev/udev-builtin.c | 3 ---
>
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 08:54:22PM -0400, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
> to load firmware, not udev's.
I think this patch is a bad idea - it makes things harder for people
who, for whatever reason, good or bad, run older kernels. At the sam
As discussed ad-nauseum previously, it is the kernel's task
to load firmware, not udev's.
---
Makefile.am | 8
configure.ac| 20
src/udev/udev-builtin.c | 3 ---
src/udev/udev.h | 6 --
src/udev/udevd.c| 13 -
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