Re: [systemd-devel] pre-release warnings?
26.05.2015 21:52, Martin Pitt wrote: Lennart Poettering [2015-05-26 18:36 +0200]: That said, I think even better would be to maybe make the support for this generic in systemctl: instead of explicitly invoking chkconfig or update-rcd, maybe we can just make systemctl invoke some fixed binary /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-compat or so with a fixed set of parameters. The distros could then make that a tool (maybe just a shell script) that invokes chkconfig or update-rc.d This would then allow us to remove any chkconfig-specific code from systemd, and would allow all distros to plug-in the tool of their choice without having to patch upstream. What do you think? That sounds great. If chkconfig and update-r.cd are/were the only two contenders then #ifdef sounds easier, but I don't know about other distros like e. g. Gentoo. With my Gentoo user hat on: Gentoo needs no support here. Their initscripts are based on OpenRC, which is not SysV-compatible enough for the "fall back to the initscript" logic to make sense at all (e.g., their initscripts have #!/sbin/runscript in the beginning, have no LSB header, and produce an error message if run in the system booted by systemd). In fact, they explicitly disable SysV compatibility in systemd: # disable sysv compatibility --with-sysvinit-path= --with-sysvrcnd-path= -- Alexander E. Patrakov ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] pre-release warnings? [was: 220 tarball erroneously ships keyboard-keys-from-name.gperf]
BOn Tue, 26.05.15 16:58, Martin Pitt (martin.p...@ubuntu.com) wrote: > > 50 non-backport patches? That sounds like a lot... > > It's not that bad, most of them are trivial, like tweaking tmpfiles.d > or some extra historic udev rules. We have quite a bunch of patches to > get rid of Fedora/RedHat-isms and replace them with Debianisms, and > then there's a lot for having a non-merged /usr (which Debian didn't > do yet). Aside from two or three which keep breaking most of them just > tag along, but there's always enough noise to break completely > automatically building packages from git master. Anyway, this is > completely tangential.. :-) But note that upstream is supposed to be non-redhat centric, and is supposed to support non-merged /usr. If it's really about that, I#d be inetersted to know what these patches are about, and maybe we can move some upstream. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Red Hat ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] pre-release warnings? [was: 220 tarball erroneously ships keyboard-keys-from-name.gperf]
Lennart Poettering [2015-05-26 16:43 +0200]: > Well, I had been trying to stabilize things since 3 weeks before the > release Ah, that's roughly when I did my last "build packages from upstream trunk" test, and indeed it looked fairly well back then. > I didn't announce this on the ML though, but I figure I could do > that too, for the next cycle... That would be nice. Let's give it a try and see how it goes? From your end it's just an extra mail when you are ready to release (and maybe giving packagers two days or so), and from our end it's just moving all the heavy-lifting around a bit. > 50 non-backport patches? That sounds like a lot... It's not that bad, most of them are trivial, like tweaking tmpfiles.d or some extra historic udev rules. We have quite a bunch of patches to get rid of Fedora/RedHat-isms and replace them with Debianisms, and then there's a lot for having a non-merged /usr (which Debian didn't do yet). Aside from two or three which keep breaking most of them just tag along, but there's always enough noise to break completely automatically building packages from git master. Anyway, this is completely tangential.. :-) Thanks, Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] pre-release warnings? [was: 220 tarball erroneously ships keyboard-keys-from-name.gperf]
On Tue, 26.05.15 16:26, Martin Pitt (martin.p...@ubuntu.com) wrote: > Hello all, > > Dimitri John Ledkov [2015-05-26 15:12 +0100]: > > Or will there be a v220.1 release shortly with releasy fix-ups? > > Can we perhaps flip that around? I did a make dist/port our > patches/build packackages/run our tests round on May 11, but that was > before most of the recent "hiccups" landed in master. I'd rather love > to do that once I know that a release is around the corner, but as we > don't currently have "release is imminent" warnings none of the > packagers can do this as a pre-release exercise. > > So Lennart: WDYT about announcing your intent to do a stable release > on the ML, and then us packagers can do a "make dist", test an actual > tarball, and thus find all these little tarball errors, udev > regressions and what not before the official release is cut? Well, I had been trying to stabilize things since 3 weeks before the release, I did mention it on IRC back then. I didn't announce this on the ML though, but I figure I could do that too, for the next cycle... I tend to ping some people before the release, who I know have independent test suites or care for last-minute fixes... > At least for me, the biggest part of updating to a new release is to > rebase our ~ 50 patches; doing that against a near-release tarball > will be the same amount of work; running automatic tests is negligible > human effort, and running manual tests doesn't take that long for me > (that's the point which might vastly differ for other packagers -- but > then again, testing pre-release tarballs means that not much will > change any more until the real release, so the second time testing > will be faster). 50 non-backport patches? That sounds like a lot... Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Red Hat ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
[systemd-devel] pre-release warnings? [was: 220 tarball erroneously ships keyboard-keys-from-name.gperf]
Hello all, Dimitri John Ledkov [2015-05-26 15:12 +0100]: > Or will there be a v220.1 release shortly with releasy fix-ups? Can we perhaps flip that around? I did a make dist/port our patches/build packackages/run our tests round on May 11, but that was before most of the recent "hiccups" landed in master. I'd rather love to do that once I know that a release is around the corner, but as we don't currently have "release is imminent" warnings none of the packagers can do this as a pre-release exercise. So Lennart: WDYT about announcing your intent to do a stable release on the ML, and then us packagers can do a "make dist", test an actual tarball, and thus find all these little tarball errors, udev regressions and what not before the official release is cut? At least for me, the biggest part of updating to a new release is to rebase our ~ 50 patches; doing that against a near-release tarball will be the same amount of work; running automatic tests is negligible human effort, and running manual tests doesn't take that long for me (that's the point which might vastly differ for other packagers -- but then again, testing pre-release tarballs means that not much will change any more until the real release, so the second time testing will be faster). Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
