Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year

I don't think other cyclists are losing to Lance in Le Tour because they're not training hard. Apart from being the best cyclist in the world, Lance points toward the Tour more than anyone else, it seems. Has he done the Giro (Tour of Italy) at all before the previous four Tours? Lance will

RE: t-and-f: concrete vs. asphalt

I agree with most of what Christopher and Jim said, yet would like to weigh in, perhaps more as a runner than a physicist. Some additional things to take into account: (Warning: lengthy and extremely boring text follows) The overly simplistic argument for why asphalt should NOT be very different

Re: t-and-f: Drossin New American Record?

A few other notes. This is a 60-second PR for Drossin, as well as 60-second PR for Shibui. Some of you may remember Shibui as the woman who set a 2:23 world best debut (demolished by Radcliffe last month), and she was also one of the major leading pack players in Edmonton, before finally

RE: t-and-f: More 2002 London Marathon - depth

New best time for place marks set today in London. Men: 1. Khannouchi 2:05:38 (former Khannouchi 2:05:42) 2. Tergat 2:05:48(former Tanui 2:06:16) 3. Gebrselassie 2:06:35 (former Kiplagat 2:06:50) 4. ElMouaziz 2:06:52 (former Tola 2:06:57) 5. Ian Syster 2:07:06 (former Fred Kiprop

Re: t-and-f: heads up, race directors

I am sure there might have been some incident at that race, but a few factual mistakes: Trpe Martinovski is actually macedonian and according to the race website he was about 4 minutes ahead of Ann at 10K mark, and only increased the gap as the race went on, so it seems very unlikely that he

RE: t-and-f: the value of numbers (was: Human Hydroplane

Perhaps a somewhat different angle - so a 3:29/3:47 guy Rotich does three or four 3:57 or equivalent races (by the way, he was racing 1000m in Boston - not mile, and lost to Krummenacker) in 2 weeks. If, say, Jason Pyrah did 3 or 4 4:05 mile races in 2 weeks we'd be saying that he is a 3:55 guy

Re: t-and-f: Regina Jacobs' Web site

I am sure Regina is aware of the name of the city where she lives, or the name of her manager. The typos probably came from the mysterious and unreachable webmaster. As to Merrit - that was in Floyd Speaks section, which was written surprisingly well - for a poodle that is. Oleg. I'm sure that

Re: t-and-f: Heisenberg, Chip Timing

I agree. Regardless of some minor problems with the chip, using existing technlogy to estimate what's happening with team competition mid-way through the race is an exciting prospect. I wouln't expect NCAA XC office pools, but it would bring back the team competition, and make XC races as

RE: t-and-f: ChampionChip Timing systems (was European Cross Country Champs)

Another angle to ChampionChip-type timing system used in XC - which I am sure has been discussed here already - one could use this system to make the race more team-oriented and spectator-friendly. In addition to announcing top runners and their splits, one could have immediate access to team

Re: t-and-f: Best all-time milers by state ?

Interesting list. About these two - McMullen had a HS pr of 4:19.99 for 1600m, Downin was a 4:18 miler in HS. Quite an impressive improvement. Oleg Massachusetts: Andy Downin -- 3:56.25 Michigan: Paul McMullen -- 3:55.84

Re: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

I am constantly surprised how soccer pulling away talent theory is mentioned much more often than, say, soaring obesity levels among teenagers. Actually, in view of how inactive US kids are nowadays, I would view popularity of soccer as a huge positive factor - not a negative one. It's about the

Re: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

At 01:06 PM 11/12/2001 -0500, Oleg Shpyrko wrote.. I am constantly surprised how soccer pulling away talent theory is mentioned much more often than, say, soaring obesity levels among teenagers. The population of elite distance runners almost never will produce obese kids. Tendency

RE: t-and-f: NYT nonsense re marathon record

There were a bunch of studies which extrapolated that women's marathon times will get faster than men's in very near future - in 1992 Nature published an article by physiologists Susan Ward and Brian Whipp who predicted that by 1998 (!) women will catch up to men in marathon, and in the following

RE: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!

Ed, do you seriously believe the reports that Tergat was running sub-60 halfs and sub-27 10k's on merely 60 miles a week? I don't even trust Khannouchi when he claims he is doing only 90 miles a week... This is from RunnersWorld Daily, 6 months ago:

RE: t-and-f: Bucher Borz

I believe Mo Greene, ElGuerrouj and Dragila has remained undefeated all season long. Szekely and Marion lost in Edmonton, Egorova lost in GP final, and Bucher lost to Borzakovski in Bruxelles. Someone correct me if I am wrong. I think Dragila lost some indoor meets, though. Perhaps AOY will be

RE: t-and-f: Sprint Medley

Great list! However... Since 800m is half of the total distance, I am surprised you missed the following nations: Russia: 20.6 Anton Galkin 20.82 Oleg Sergeyev 45.26 Dmitriy Golovastov 1:42.47 Yuriy Borzakovskiy 2:09.15 KENYA: 20.6 David Kirui 20.71Ezra Sambu 44.47

Re: t-and-f: Goodwill coverage--notes from Brisbane

Sidenote - the morning coverage women's 5k was not only covered completely, but without a single commercial interruption for entire 15min+extra time before the start and after the finish. This has gotta be an american record of some sort in terms of coverage. Oleg. - Original Message -

Re: t-and-f: start list for Van Damme memorial - notes

No Kenteris (Kederis, Kenderis) in the 200 Bernie Williams, Christian Malcom and Ato Boldon all in both 100 and 200 Another GREAT 800 in store El Guerrouj in the 15, along with - yes, El Kaouche. Will he rabbit, or race? No Ngeny. No Markov in the PV Suzy F-H is in the 1500, along with

Re: t-and-f: RE: something else to chew on

Speaking of the uniforms. A lot of people critisized blue front/red back uniforms US athletes wore in Sydney because it was often difficult to tell runners apart because the color of the shirt would change once the camera angles change. I remember watching MJ running 400 and as the camera

Re: t-and-f: Re: Yegorova - the only enormous improver?

Perhaps I am as one-eyed as Uri, but I think he has made a very valid point. Merlene Ottey went on to compete in Sydney after testing positive for nandrolone, but then being reintstated by IAAF due to technical errors. The only controversy was whether or not she should be allowed to run the

Re: t-and-f: chinese women

Chinese national games are this year, and they are usually held in Sept. Stay tuned. Oleg If the training reports were anywhere close to correct, no one has trained anywhere near as hard as they did either. Certainly the drugs allow for greater trainging, but I also suspect that few, if

RE: t-and-f: re: Edwards thoughts on Yegorova

The quickness with which Yegorova was reinstated by IAAF may be partially due to the fact that as IAAF admitted before, 10 (or was it 11?) athletes tested positive for EPO in Sydney (but failed only one of the two required urine/blood test combo, therefore not considered guilty). Russian

Re: t-and-f: Marion Jones 10.38 Holy Sh!T

And malmo - if you ARE going to mention results in the header of the message, at least make sure the results are true, to avoid further confusion. Just kidding, I didn't really believe 10.38, but who knows, some people saw the 10.38 in the header, promptly killed the message without reading it

RE: t-and-f: Re: Liars Club

Come on, Jack Lemmon's 4:10 mile is a perfect illustration to The Older I get, the Faster I was rule. However, here's the quote from his biography published in People's magazine: Perhaps because this star learned early in life not to confuse privilege with happiness. John Uhler Lemmon III grew

RE: t-and-f: Re: Jack Lemmon

Roger: I think you are overreacting. I don't think anyone meant any disrespect to Lemmon, and no holier than thou attitude or ego gratification was expressed. I think we all realize that 4:10 number cannot be true, wherever it came from. And certainly a 76-year old man has a right to not quite

RE: t-and-f: Lassiter

35.28 reported on UK athletics site was actually a difference between a 1200m split for the leader (Whiteman) and winner's finishing time. So the actual split for Lassiter should be even faster, depending on how far off he was at 1200m mark. In any case, 35.28 is 47.04 per 400 pace, nice to see

RE: t-and-f: 3000 results from Lausanne

Tim Broe ran 7:39.45 to become 8th fastest american all-time. Results: (note 11th and 16th finishers) 1 Bitok Paul KEN 7:32.61 8 2 Kibowen John KEN 7:33.36 7 3 Kipketer Sammy KEN 7:33.62 6 4 Limo Richard KEN 7:33.71 5 5 Kipkosgei Luke KEN 7:36.74 4 6 Carroll Mark IRL

t-and-f: Hoffman lists URL

Hoffman's website is at the same URL it's been for years: http://www.cs.uml.edu/~phoffman/xc.html More specifically, here's a link to HS all-time list: http://www.cs.uml.edu/~phoffman/nats/milers1.htm Oleg. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf

Re: t-and-f: FW: A final reply-but private

Jon - and everyone else: Other issues aside, I wanted to let you know that it's considered extremely bad taste to repost private email communication to public lists without explicit authorization of the author of the email. Oleg. I thought the list might like to see some of the silly

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

Seb Coe split 45.xx on 4x4 relay, and Borzakovski has run 45.84 last summer as preparation for Sydney. Bucher has run 46.32. None of them trained specifically for 400 as far as I know. Oleg On Wed, 2 May 2001, Ed Dana Parrot wrote: Mark Everett certainly had the potential based on his

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of P.F.Talbot Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:52 AM To: Oleg Shpyrko Cc: Track list Subject: RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism Soccer in Kenya is more popular than running, has more particpants

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

, 1 May 2001, Oleg Shpyrko wrote: RE: Soccer. Soccer is much more technical than distance running. You need access to good coaching, facilities, etc., whereas with distance running the overall approach is much more simple. Additionally - in my opinion soccer is much more competitive sport

Re: t-and-f: Soccer??

sports is a lot like comparing apples and oranges. Soccer is a whole different animal, and the path to making the same $10,000 may be not as straightforward, for a number of reasons. Oleg. on 1/5/01 4:01 PM, Oleg Shpyrko at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally try to continue to follow

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money?....one last post...I promise..:)

Those who are convinced that 800m is a slow-twitch fiber event, let's go one step further. A fact that is often overlooked by many people is that kenyans actually make fairly decent 400m runners. There has been quite a few kenyans who have been ranked in top 10 in that event - and overall kenyans

RE: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

RE: Economical reasons. Would there be more american champions if winning a major marathon by a US runner was worth $10, 20 million? Kenyan GDP is $270 per capita. Even relatively low-key 10K like recent James Joyce Ramble offers $1000 for a win, plus appearance fees. Peanuts money for average

RE: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

Some statistics from Falmouth Road Race. Seems like the times are about the same, all the way from 1st to 10th, you just have to replace americans from 1970ies/80ies with kenyans and moroccans in 1990ies and you will have pretty much the same picture. I am sure Tom can provide similar lists for

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's comments

be possible. Entine said that Salazar, Durden, Rodgers, Lindsay, etc. weren't even remotely as talented as those who dominate the modern-day road racing scene. Oleg, you must have made up these times! :-} -Brian P.S. Does Salazar still hold the CR? -Original Message- From: Oleg

Re: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

Anyone who follows soccer knows that Olympic games to World cup is like Goodwill Games to Olympics in Athletics. A brief look at the current FIFA ranking shows that the top two african countries are South Africa (22nd) and Morocco (30th) - both are powerhouses as far as distance running is

RE: t-and-f: Why Kalenjins Win the Boston Marathon

Statistics is a pretty interesting tool for making this type of arguments. Example: Over the past 75 years the world chess crown belonged to a russian (and by "russian" I mean the broad definition of the term) 70 times out of 75. The chance of this happening by "accident" is even lower than the

Re: t-and-f: Kristiansen's 'clean' doubt

In 1985-1986 Kristiansen single-handedly improved 10,000 world record by 60 seconds (she ran 30:13, previous record was 31:13 by Bondarenko). For the next 7 years, before Chinese invasion, nobody was even within 40 seconds of her record. The only other runner to go under 31 before 1993 was

RE: t-and-f: Fw: direction of running

Didn't they run clockwise at Oxford during Bannister's day? I don't think so. At least the picture of Bannister breaking the tape showed him running left-to-right, not right-to-left. But I was told that ancient drawings of greek Olympics showed they ran in both directions. Here's an old post

RE: t-and-f: Masters disaster: No results from Boston

Tom and others - the results have been posted at www.lancertiming.com I do agree, however, that it's a collosal blunder on part of tracs.net and USATF not to have national masters championships results posted where people can easily find them. Did the meet really happen? Oleg. -Original

RE: t-and-f: Ritz, Teg run with the Africans at Ostend

US dominated JR XC Worlds in 74-77 - wins by Rich Kemball (74) Bob Thomas (75), Eric Hulst (76) and Thom Hunt (77). Thom Hunt also placed 2nd in 76, and if you remember, Hunt held high school indoor mile record before Webb broke it earlier this year. Keith Brantley ('81) and Ed Eyestone ('80)

Re: t-and-f: official broadcast channel?

RW screws up their VCR alert all the time. Walt is correct, it is ESPN. For local listings, check tvguide.com or TV schedules provided by portals like yahoo or excite. It's always a good idea to double-check RW as they have been wrong many times last year. Oleg. runnersworld.com says that the