t-and-f: Recalling a 200 semifinal 28 years ago
Y ask Y: Now it can be told. And maybe now you'll pay attention. Remember when Rey Robinson and Eddie Hart missed a shot at Borzov at Munich because of schedule snafu? Nobody until now has told the story of the women's sprinters. One of them got screwed too! Tom Shanahan of The San Diego Union-Tribune dug this up while researching past track Olympians from San Diego. He met Jackie Thompson, a 200-meter dasher, who told this story -- which also deals with the marginalization of women's track of that era. No mainstream media outlet -- including TFN -- gave a rat's ass about women's track back then. Here's a portion of story from Sept. 28 Sports section of the U-T: The men's 100-meters fiasco at the 1972 Olympics in Munich remains seared in the memory of Americans who watched the sorry saga unfold on TV. Howard Cosell grilled U.S. men's coach Stan Wright as he squirmed in his seat. Wright had read the schedule wrong, and Rey Robinson and Eddie Hart missed their quarterfinal heats. The Soviet Union's Valery Borzov would sweep the 100 and 200 gold medals. Americans were outraged at the Cold War defeat. That's the story we remember. The story we never heard, though, came days after the men's 100. Jackie Thompson advanced through two rounds of the women's 200 to reach the semifinals. Then the U.S. women's coach gave her the wrong schedule. Thompson was on the warmup track just outside the stadium when a teammate shouted Thompson's race was about to start. She sprinted into the stadium, stripped off her sweats and stepped into the blocks just before the gun went off. "I was still catching my breath," Thompson said. The top four places advanced to the finals. Fourth was 23.14 seconds, fifth 23.17 and sixth was Thompson in 23.18. Her Olympic hopes were lost in the blink of an eye. Running in the second 200 semifinal was Barbara Ferrell Edmonson, then a 24-year-old kindergarten teacher and now an administrator at Cal State Dominguez. Her personal coach didn't trust the U.S. coaches and told her to arrive early at the stadium. The American team in 1972 was disorganized and in disarray, Ferrell Edmonson said. But unlike the men's fiasco, Cosell didn't go on TV and scorch the U.S. women's coach. There wasn't a word about Thompson's misfortune in most newspapers, including The San Diego Union and the Evening Tribune. Me again: Now how long will it take before masters athletes are accorded the same respect in the press? Hope it isn't another 28 years. Ken Stone http://www.masterstrack.com
t-and-f: Tape Marketing Ploy?
NBC's track field coverage makes sense if you think of it as one long trailer to promote the Olympic Track Field video that they now are hawking ($19.95) at NBCOlympics.com. Want uninterrupted action, continuity and the opportunity to avoid synchronized diving? Break out your credit card. Does anyone know what we can expect to see on the video? A repeat of what we've already seen on T.V.? Or will any extra goodies be added? I really hope NBC throws in a couple of those commercials that I just can't get enough of. Just once I'd like to see M.J. do a Power Bar finish line bonk on that Samsung phone cord finish line he's broken, what, a million times thus far? The pathetic thing about the NBC video is that I'll probably wind up buying it, even thought I've taped as much TF coverage as possible. Does NBC put these out after every Olympics? I seem to remember seeing a NBC '88 TF video on sale on eBay a few weeks ago. But the really sad thing is that NBC apparently will release the '00 TF compilation only on video, still fearing, I guess, losing its grip on its "digital rights" to the Olympics. But imagine what they could do on DVD. In addition to every heat, throw and jump, they could include all the weepers they filmed, and still have room left over for athlete bios, stats and highlights from the U.S. OT. I frequently rent or buy DVDs of movies I've already seen at the theater, just to get at the extra goodies typically added to them. Similar to the director's commentary frequently added to DVDs as a separate audio track, I'd love to hear John Smith provide a running analysis of the performance of his athletes. Tons of possibilities. Too bad we'll have to wait until 2004, if not 2008, before NBC makes a move to DVD. Robert
t-and-f: Marion Jones' Other Flag
As an ignorant Brit can someone tell me what the other flag is that Marion Jones' carries when she celebrating victory in Sydney? David
t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
In the second semi-final, there were 2 Americans and one (Pyrah) made the final which is a big deal. On Tues, NBC showed 7 hours on their main outlet, plus an additional 4 hours on their cable outlets. Eleven hours of 36 hour tape delayed, over editted, drama less, prepackaged crap and they couldn't even find 10 seconds in their eleven hours of garbage to show the 1500. The ratings for NBC continue to sink, despite the fact DWIGHT told us our opinion didn't matter and that they were targeting the non sports fan Baby Boomer women whom apparently agree with our supposedly worthless opinion that the NBC coverage sucks and they are turning it off in droves. The Games are being televised in over 200 countries and the USA, the richest and most advanced country in the World, has by far the worst coverage of the Olympics. How is this possible? Maybe money DOES ruin everything. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: You just need the right translation
(from the Canadian track and field mailing list) From: Shane Lakins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:08:17 -0400 Subject: TF A little humor injected into the Drug talk (bad pun, sorry) I have spare two minutes and since my wife is a speech therapist, I have acquired an ability to read between the lines to tell what people are actually saying regarding Mr. Hunter. So, let me translate some of the comments regarding Drugs for everyone. Yes I'm poking fun at this very serious issue that makes me sick, but what else can you do. Enjoy... Shane Actual Quote: Hunter said yesterday:''I know what's going on and I am aware of the allegations and am going to defend myself vigorously.'' Translation: Yeah, I hear yah, I know wassup and I'm screwed, but I'll get OJ's lawyer! Man my wife is gonna Kill m! Actual Quote: But officials from the governing body IAAF have admitted they did not want his positive result ''to be the story of the Games''. Translation: We are the IAAF (Immature Association Advocating Frauds), we just didn't want a little drug thing with oh major athletes... over several Olympics to ruin a good thing, can't we all just get along and pretend it didn't happen. Yeah, Yeah, that's the ticket!!! Actual Quote: IAAF general secretary Istvan Gyulai said: ''I personally regretted that such news is broken so close to Mrs Hunter taking part in competition''. Translation: My name is Istvan, the rest of this is what he was actually thinking at the press conference when making the above statement Thought Bubble: I am the sacrificial lamb sent to shoulder all the blame for our association (I got the shortest straw, damn that Samarach for always getting to pick first); I'm the one that regrets the most for having to get up here and explain this S%*T. Wish the truth had come out a few years after I retired, who really gives a crap about this Mrs Hunter, oh I mean Mrs. Jones, wasn't there a song about a Mrs Jones, God I hope know one asks any questions or I'm screwed. Actual Quote: Gyulai denied officials were trying to protect Hunter and by association, Jones. Translation: Who me, I didn't do anything. I didn't even know they were married. Do they have a family drug plan, oops did I say that out loud, "looks above sees it is only in his thought bubble" Actual Quote: ''It is very clear there is no cover up,'' he said. Translation: If you are blind, you can see we are not covering up anything. Actual Quote: ''It is the usual practice to respect the confidentiality of the athlete until it is very clear that it is a doping case - and we do not say he is guilty. Translation: We usually want to keep this kinda thing hush, hush. When the price is right, anyone can be innocent, especially if your from the US. A thousand time the normal amount is really close, so we just want to be sure he is guilty. Maybe he was an obsessive compulsive and used a certain kind of toothpaste, oh lets say 200 times per day. Actual Quote: ''Imagine what he must feel and what his family must feel. We don't want this to be the major story of the Olympics.'' Translation is actually a little longer: Must suck to be a drug cheat, his wife is gonna Kill him. Can't we just forget about it and screw all the clean athletes and their families; there honest, they can get another job, well maybe not in the IAAF or for USTFA, but maybe some other place like the IOC, well maybe not there either, they could always work in government, right forget about that well they could always learn to say: "would you like fries with that". Yeah they are a big sponsor, they could help us out. Actual Quote: US Track and Field Association executive director Craig Masback said the organisation tested out of competition more sports than any other country. ''We unfortunately busted more people,'' he said. He admitted more doping cases pending, but claimed none were in the US Olympic team. Translation: We test lots of people and surprisingly we actually have a lots of positive tests. We look after these with true American justice... we say... Now CJ, you have been a bad boy, you can't go to the Olympics. Lets make up an injury so you can drop out. Let's see we already have a breathing problem, a hamstring pull, a foot problem, oh here you go a knee injury is still open, would you like that? My attempt at a little humor, hope nobody is offended...
t-and-f: Decathlon results
results warning . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well, I got up this morning, excited to log in and follow the last three events of the decathlon. Instead of going directly to the final summary, I looked at the PV, JT, and 1500 in succession, adding scores for the leaders each time, looking at Zarnowski's projections. Huffins did indeed run the 1500 of his life, outscoring Zarnowski's projection by 128 points. BUt it wasn't quite enough, as Sebrle also outperformed his projection (by 31 points) and beat Huffins by 11. Great decathlon. Then I went to the overall results page and saw to my amazement that Nool had won! Recall in my post last night I said that Nool had no mark in the DT. I'm absolutely certain that is what was posted on the olympics.com web site last night -- three fouls. Yet now his entry is two fouls and then a great throw on the third. Anyone know the story? Did Nool get a 4th throw for some reason? Coty Pinckney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown away. BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: t-and-f: Decathlon results
And that decision gave him the gold. On what basis does one appeal a ring foul? The official rules it a foul; how does he appeal? There's no plasticine to examine. Do they look at a videotape? Coty At 08:55 AM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote: Hi, You wer right. Apparently he appealed a ring foul and got another shot. Below is text from the IAAF website... .Huffins moved ahead even farther in the discus with the best performance of all competitors at 49.55. It gave him 6401, which was 196 points ahead of Sebrle, who moved past Macey into second with a throw of 44.39 and a total of 6205. Macey's 43.37 gave him an aggregate 6186 which ranked third, ahead of Erki Nool's 6157 after his 43.66 discus throw. Nool originally had three fouls--and zero points--in the discus. But he successfully appealed the ring-foul ruling on his third and final throw. A counter appeal by the British delegation was turned down. Pappas' 41.42 toss secured him fifth with 6124, while Dvorak moved up a spot to sixth at 6036 with a 47.15 --- | Bob Ramsak | OHIO Track Running Report | http://www.trackprofile.com | Cleveland, Ohio USA | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:47 AM Subject: t-and-f: Decathlon results results warning . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well, I got up this morning, excited to log in and follow the last three events of the decathlon. Instead of going directly to the final summary, I looked at the PV, JT, and 1500 in succession, adding scores for the leaders each time, looking at Zarnowski's projections. Huffins did indeed run the 1500 of his life, outscoring Zarnowski's projection by 128 points. BUt it wasn't quite enough, as Sebrle also outperformed his projection (by 31 points) and beat Huffins by 11. Great decathlon. Then I went to the overall results page and saw to my amazement that Nool had won! Recall in my post last night I said that Nool had no mark in the DT. I'm absolutely certain that is what was posted on the olympics.com web site last night -- three fouls. Yet now his entry is two fouls and then a great throw on the third. Anyone know the story? Did Nool get a 4th throw for some reason? Coty Pinckney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: RE: Culpepper - Why did we send her?(contains some results)
In a message dated 9/27/00 10:21:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In Culpepper's case, however, she only made the team due to Jacob's sudden departure from the event and the only experience she got was getting her #$% kicked. Which should be a very valuable experience if she ever runs in the Olympics or World Championships again. It's not just the winning that helps an athlete learn. Shayne is very young. I'd rather have her out there learning her lessons now than waiting until she's older. Just think of how long it took Suzy to learn to deal with these big meets. I recall her getting her #$% kicked a few times at the games and now she's performing brilliantly. Shayne was in Australia anyhow (to support Alan). I'm glad they gave her a chance. It might take her 3 Olympic Games to move into the final (just as it has Suzy) But I'm hoping by 2008 she performing the same way (as Suzy). KRounds
t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?
I patiently waited till 11:30 (EST) last night, _hoping_ that I could finally watch what was supposed to be a great 800, but finally gave up and went to bed. Does anyone know what time it was on? Thanks, Bruce Goodchild
RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
scroll down: actually, Capel didn't run that bad AFTER he finally took off, He had what had to be one of the slowest starts in olympic history. after the race he laid on the track and cried. It looked to me as if he flinched just before the gun and his weight was going backward at the gun but it was minute( if it happened) and no recall. Lanes 5-6-7-8- placed 1 thru 4 . Miller pretty much tied up like he did in semis. When was the last time no one ran a sub 20 200 ANYTIME during the heats and Finals?
Re: t-and-f: Decathlon results -- DON'T READ IF YOU'RE WAITING FOR CANNED COVERAGE
Hi, Just saw the decathlon DT on NBC. Nool's third throw was clearly a foul, and Dwight remarked as such. He appealed and the field judge's decision was overruled. A HUGE gift for Nool. --- | Bob Ramsak | OHIO Track Running Report | http://www.trackprofile.com | Cleveland, Ohio USA | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Ramsak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:02 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Decathlon results And that decision gave him the gold. On what basis does one appeal a ring foul? The official rules it a foul; how does he appeal? There's no plasticine to examine. Do they look at a videotape? Coty At 08:55 AM 9/28/00 -0400, you wrote: Hi, You wer right. Apparently he appealed a ring foul and got another shot. Below is text from the IAAF website... .Huffins moved ahead even farther in the discus with the best performance of all competitors at 49.55. It gave him 6401, which was 196 points ahead of Sebrle, who moved past Macey into second with a throw of 44.39 and a total of 6205. Macey's 43.37 gave him an aggregate 6186 which ranked third, ahead of Erki Nool's 6157 after his 43.66 discus throw. Nool originally had three fouls--and zero points--in the discus. But he successfully appealed the ring-foul ruling on his third and final throw. A counter appeal by the British delegation was turned down. Pappas' 41.42 toss secured him fifth with 6124, while Dvorak moved up a spot to sixth at 6036 with a 47.15 --- | Bob Ramsak | OHIO Track Running Report | http://www.trackprofile.com | Cleveland, Ohio USA | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:47 AM Subject: t-and-f: Decathlon results results warning . . . . . . . . . . . . . Well, I got up this morning, excited to log in and follow the last three events of the decathlon. Instead of going directly to the final summary, I looked at the PV, JT, and 1500 in succession, adding scores for the leaders each time, looking at Zarnowski's projections. Huffins did indeed run the 1500 of his life, outscoring Zarnowski's projection by 128 points. BUt it wasn't quite enough, as Sebrle also outperformed his projection (by 31 points) and beat Huffins by 11. Great decathlon. Then I went to the overall results page and saw to my amazement that Nool had won! Recall in my post last night I said that Nool had no mark in the DT. I'm absolutely certain that is what was posted on the olympics.com web site last night -- three fouls. Yet now his entry is two fouls and then a great throw on the third. Anyone know the story? Did Nool get a 4th throw for some reason? Coty Pinckney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
--- Justin Clouder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. I may be wrong, but I think the abuse Stephen took was because of the way he said what he did, not what he actually said. I doubt anyone feels a need to apologize over that. Yes, he was correct, but so is the weatherman on occasion. And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. That was pretty lame on Capel's behalf. He's a good runner, but he doesn't seem very mature from the standpoint of understanding what he's doing out there. His comments about how his training and everything went post-Sacto definitely bear that out, as will as allegedly not realizing that people run to win in the Olympics, no matter what round. Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby Miller (USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Yikes, what an awful looking race. Please tell me they were running into a tornado! Maybe an extra half second is being added to the finishing times by the suspect starting blocks (which obviously were not performance enhanced)? At least Boldon and Thompson duked it out, albeit at a near training pace. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-Down.com - 8,400 Running Links, Free Contests... @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?
Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this individual. Pr's, past rankings, ect In other words, what's the ticket with this?
Re: t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?
About 1:30 or 2:00 AM I patiently waited till 11:30 (EST) last night, _hoping_ that I could finally watch what was supposed to be a great 800, but finally gave up and went to bed. Does anyone know what time it was on? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
actually they did show heat 2 of the mens 1500m semi b/c Gabe Jennings was in it. this was yesterday at 11:00 I think. for what it's worth I taped it. they also had a 7 min segment on Gabe Jennings and what makes him eccentric. I would have rather seen the first heat w/Pyrah and Morceli but over the past five years I've learned not to get my hopes up. [.sig] AXAF Public Outreach: http://xrtpub.harvard.edu Morceli Home Page: http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/tetreaul/morceli.html On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, John Molvar wrote: In the second semi-final, there were 2 Americans and one (Pyrah) made the final which is a big deal. On Tues, NBC showed 7 hours on their main outlet, plus an additional 4 hours on their cable outlets. Eleven hours of 36 hour tape delayed, over editted, drama less, prepackaged crap and they couldn't even find 10 seconds in their eleven hours of garbage to show the 1500. The ratings for NBC continue to sink, despite the fact DWIGHT told us our opinion didn't matter and that they were targeting the non sports fan Baby Boomer women whom apparently agree with our supposedly worthless opinion that the NBC coverage sucks and they are turning it off in droves. The Games are being televised in over 200 countries and the USA, the richest and most advanced country in the World, has by far the worst coverage of the Olympics. How is this possible? Maybe money DOES ruin everything. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was from East Africa...there ya go Entine, he may be .0001% East African...:) Just like Tiger Woods is "African". Alan From: "malmo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "malmo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Justin Clouder" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'TF List'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:54:54 -0700 Jon Entine (paraphrased): "No one without African lineage will ever again win Olympic gold in the sprints." Oooops. There goes the neighborhood! malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Clouder Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:56 AM To: 'TF List' Subject: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown away. BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?
"Steven L. Brower" wrote: Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this individual. Pr's, past rankings, ect In other words, what's the ticket with this? Someone named K. Kederis had a 20.25, 20th performer in 2000 list coming in, and was not among the 10 in T F News' predictions. I don't know whether that is the same guy as Kenteris, but Greece did not enter anyone named "Kederis." Cheers, Alan Shank
RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
It's been a few years, but Brooks Johnson is sounding like a genius. M. Ward -Original Message- From: malmo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:55 AM To: Justin Clouder; 'TF List' Subject: RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED Jon Entine (paraphrased): "No one without African lineage will ever again win Olympic gold in the sprints." Oooops. There goes the neighborhood! malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Clouder Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:56 AM To: 'TF List' Subject: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown away. BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Even as an American, I say that it's not only okay that an American failed to place in the 200, I think it's great that someone from Greece won the race. I must say that I'd like to go to Vegas with anyone who might have predicted that one. As for the times, well, what can we expect when they hold these events at night in the very early spring in Australia? In Melbourne in 1956, the Olympics were held in much warmer weather, from November 22 to December 8. And the track and field events were held in the daytime hours. Jim Bendat Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more competitive place now. Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Last time US men were shut out of Olympic 200 medals (excluding 1980) was 1928. -Original Message- From: Turner, Andrew C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:57 AM To: Philip Weishaar Cc: track list Subject: Re: RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED When was the last time that the USA didn't put someone in the top 5 in the 200? -Turner On 28 Sep 00 09:46:46 -0500 Philip Weishaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, Capel didn't run that bad AFTER he finally took off, He had what had to be one of the slowest starts in olympic history. after the race he laid on the track and cried. It looked to me as if he flinched just before the gun and his weight was going backward at the gun but it was minute( if it happened) and no recall. Lanes 5-6-7-8- placed 1 thru 4 . Miller pretty much tied up like he did in semis. When was the last time no one ran a sub 20 200 ANYTIME during the heats and Finals? - Turner, Andrew C. Vanderbilt University Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: 800m Bumping (was:Warning for NBC?)
On a completely different subject, I finally got to see the 800M final this a.m. (taped from last night's late show) and was waiting for the fireworks promised in an earlier post. All I saw was Longo's shoulder bumping Bucher as he made the move with no apoparent effect,. Admittedly, NBC cut from the bump to a different view of the rest of the race, but Bucher seemed to be moving along as if nothing had happened. from what I read, I thought he would be sprawled in the infield. The NBC coverage cut away just as the contact was beginning, and in the next view Bucher had already gotten back on the track. The coverage was much better on Televiso, where it clearly showed Longo bump into Bucher and knock him right off the track. It wasn't so bad as to knock him down, but he was forced to run on the infield for a few strides before getting back on the track. He was not bumped completely out of contention, but he was definitely knocked off stride. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: RE:t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Andrew Turner asked: When was the last time that the USA didn't put someone in the top 5 in the 200? Aside from 1980, the last time the US failed to provide a 200m medallist was in 1928, according to the report on the IAAF website: http://www.iaaf.org/OLY00/news/index.asp?Filename=/news/Articles/getnews.asp ?Code=2667 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
t-and-f: Longo the Bruiser?
As for the M800 -- I don't know what NBC showed, but Longo's body check was quite significant and did send Bucher onto the infield for about 3 steps. Bucher was very lucky that he was able to step back on the track with relatively little interference, but he could very easily have been boxed into the infield, or even fallen if he had not shown such deft footwork jumping the curb, etc. I'm surprised nothing happened to Longo, given how blatant and serious the straight-arm was. AGB
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
It could also be what happens when a contender deliberately tanks a race. Check Capel's reaction time from the blocks for a start. No-one can be that slow when they are trying to win. Especially from Lane 4 where you are in the thick of the action. 0.348?? Twice the reaction time of the winner?? And this kind of a performance from a guy that blew everyone away in his semi-final with a 20.10 into a -1.1 headwind? I leave it to your imagination as to why he was under instructions not to be on the medal stand. Tony Craddock _ At 01:55 PM 9/28/00 +0100, Justin Clouder wrote: Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more competitive place now. Question - when the everyone gets an equal chance approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown away. BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby Miller (USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
t-and-f: More on Kenteris/Kede(è)ris
SCROLL "Steven L. Brower" schreef: Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this individual. Pr's, past rankings, ect In other words, what's the ticket with this? Hello, I was interested in this myself, especially since I made somewhat of a fool of myself over this guy: watching the race at offices of my newspaper (and obviously not paying attention to the earlier rounds), I predicted the Greek may become last... Anyway, Kenteris (sometimes spelled as Kedèris) was listed 22nd in the IAAF World ranking with a 20.29/+1,9 200 meters (Rethymon, GRE, june 10). Kenteris (11.6.73 180/80) also ran a 20.34/+0,2 in Hanya (?) june 14. He got third in the Europa Cup 200 meters in Gateshead, july 16, behind Chris Malcom/GBR (20.45) and Allessandro Calavarro/ITA (20.45, just as Ked`ris). Mirko Jalava (www.tilastopaja.net) has him in the 1999 lists with pb of 20.50. in Sydney, he ran 20.57, 20.14 NR (2nd behind Campbell!), 20.20 and 20.09 NR. There is a story on Kenteris (as it is spelled there) at http://www.athletix.gre (even they seem surprised) Furthermore, www.olympics.com has several news stories: - Kenteris dedicates victory to ferry victims, Reuters 29 September 2000 - Kenteris win no surprise to Greek Minister, Reuters 28 September 2000 - Greece's Kenteris wins shock 200m gold Also from that site: Birth place: Mytilene (Greece) Residence: Athens (Greece) SPORTING PROFILE Personal bests: 20.250, 10.160 Season best: 20.250 Coach: PL SARASLANIDIS Coach since: - GENERAL INTEREST Major achievements: 7th - Men's 4x100m Relay - World Championship - 1998 Highlights: Set Greek record of 20.25 in 200m earlier this year. Third in 200m, 2000 European Cup. Third in 400m, 1999 European Cup. Winner 400m, 1993 European Cup. Sixth in 200m, 1992 World Juniors. Regards, Wilmar
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Dan Kaplan wrote: That was pretty lame on Capel's behalf. He's a good runner, but he doesn't seem very mature from the standpoint of understanding what he's doing out there. His comments about how his training and everything went post-Sacto definitely bear that out, as will as allegedly not realizing that people run to win in the Olympics, no matter what round. Not necessarily. Michael Johnson and Marion Jones were both "beaten" in prelim races. Many athletes have the attitude that the goal is to advance safely while conserving as much energy as possible. There have been many instances of athletes foolishly wasting energy on unnecessary sprint finishes in the rounds, only to run slower in the final. Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby Miller (USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Yikes, what an awful looking race. Please tell me they were running into a tornado! Maybe an extra half second is being added to the finishing times by the suspect starting blocks (which obviously were not performance enhanced)? At least Boldon and Thompson duked it out, albeit at a near training pace. We are so used to these championship events being held in hot-weather sites, great for the sprints but terrible for the distances. When was the last sub-2:10 marathon in a WC or Oly? I think it's great that the weather is nicer for the longer events this time. Also, the winds have often been in the sprinters' faces (-0.6 mps for M 200 final). Cheers, Alan Shank
t-and-f: Laughers from the IOC Charter
If you want a good chuckle, check out the following snippets from the charter of the
IOC (with a little commentary and emphasis added). More seriously, a read of these
documents makes me want to vomit. Of course, it's no surprise that these guys are a
bunch of self-aggrandizing hypocrites; it just makes me wonder if there's some way to
use their own language against them...
- Jay Ulfelder
From The Olympic Charter: "The goal of Olympism is *to place everywhere sport at the
service of the harmonious development of man,* with a view to encouraging the
establishment of a peaceful society concerned with the preservation of human dignity."
[And the sale of exclusive TV rights accomplishes this...how?]
Also: "The role of the IOC is to lead the promotion of Olympism in accordance with the
Olympic Charter. For that purpose the IOC: collaborates with the competent public or
private organizations and authorities in the endeavour to place sport at the service
of humanity."
[Are you feeling served? To paraphrase Bill Clinton, it depends on what the meaning of
"service" is...]
"...opposes any political or commercial abuse of sport..."
[No comment required.]
And on the IOC's rights over the Olympics: "The Olympic Games are the exclusive
property of the IOC which owns all rights and data relating thereto, in particular,
and without limitation, all rights relating to their organization, exploitation,
broadcasting, recording, representation, reproduction, access and dissemination in any
form and by any means or mechanism whatsoever, whether now existing or developed in
the future. The IOC shall determine the conditions of access to and the conditions of
any use of data relating to the Olympic Games and to the competitions and sports
performances of the Olympic Games.
All profits derived from the celebration of the Olympic Games shall be applied to
the development of the Olympic Movement and of sport."
[Two questions: (A) How do they get away with this claim? On what legal basis does it
rest? NASCAR tried something like this in the U.S. ("we own the news from our events")
and got dumped in court. And (B) How does NBC's "this is entertainment, not sport"
philosophy square with the last sentence of this snippet?]
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t-and-f: Curtain up on beauty and the beast
Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Paul Hayward THE AUSTRALIAN papers are calling them beauty and the beast. While the beast was plodding into infamy, shedding tears and signing up O J Simpson's lawyer, the beauty was scorching closer to five Olympic golds at these Games. How fast would Marion Jones be if she was not weighed down by her husband, the newly lachrymose C J Hunter? Never mind the golds, Jones is in line for an Oscar after marching into the Olympic Stadium with chin raised and thespian's mask on. She floated through her 200 metres heat then qualified for the long jump final with her first leap. "When I stepped on the track the events of the past two days were pushed to the back of my head," she said. "I'm here to take care of business." The previous day, she had squeezed into a seat next to her shot-putting husband, and promised us that there would be a perfectly good explanation why C J had tested a thousand times over the limit for the anabolic steroid nandrolone at the Oslo Golden League Meeting on July 28. Four explanations, in fact, because Hunter failed four separate tests before pulling out of the Olympics to have an operation on his knee, the evidence of which he will happily show you if you ask him to roll up his trousers. For Jones, 'business' means the 100m, which she has already won, the 200m (the semi-finals were early this morning British time), the long jump and the 4x100m and 4x400m relays. She says she has received hundreds of letters, cards and e-mails saying: "You're in our prayers. Go out there are prove them all wrong." If she knew nothing of her husband's alleged activities, and has never partaken herself, she has become the tragic heroine of these Games. The normally truculent Hunter, meanwhile, has stopped scowling and started howling. Tears, his innocence, the lot. With the International Olympic Committee's medical commission saying that it would be impossible to be a thousand times over the limit from taking a contaminated iron supplement, as Hunter claims, he could, in the figurative sense, end up wearing the cannonball he throws for a living on a chain attached to his foot. The key theme of the last few days has been plausibility. Hunter is out to convince the watching world that he has fallen into a maelstrom not of his making, and has hired Simpson's counsel, Johnnie Cochrane, to haul him out. After his wife's regal performance on the track yesterday, Hunter was seen outside the stadium posing for photographs with children. In these situations, the accused are always advised by image consultants to do three things: look shocked and hurt, show their human side then hire an armadillo lawyer to go into battle. After she won the 100m on Saturday, Jones came back into the mixed zone, took her tracksuit top from Hunter then sat on a bench and cried. At that point Hunter's test results had not been made public, but she looked as if she knew what was coming next. And come it did. "The only way to have such levels [of nandrolone] is by injection or by taking pills," said Jacques Rogge, vice-president of the IOC. As the scandal spread, USA Track and Field, the governing body for the sport in America, faced renewed pressure to disclose details of 15 or more alleged positive tests which Olympic officials accuse them of suppressing. There is a strong anti-American feeling in Sydney this week. It surfaced when the IAAF's chief medical expert, Professor Arne Ljunqvist, accused the American national federation of protecting cheats, some of whom were allowed to compete in Seoul, Barcelona and Atlanta. The allegations are sufficiently serious for the head of President Clinton's anti-drugs campaign to have written to the US federation urging them to name names. General Barry McCaffrey helped drive the Iraqis out of Kuwait, but purging the American federation of secrecy and hypocrisy might prove a much bigger job. The idea that American athletes exist in a separate moral universe is intolerable to many Olympic countries, and especially to the smaller ones routinely busted for drugs. Initially the US Olympic Committee revoked Hunter's accreditation, but then tried to get it back on the grounds that he had not "been convicted of any offence". It all leaves Jones in a twilight world of innuendo and suspicion. The assumption of guilt by association is a rotten slur in the absence of any evidence to support it. But she must know that the crowd in Sydney will take less pleasure now from seeing her dominate her contemporaries. Sometimes when a drugs scandal breaks it is hard to spot anybody who is not putting on a performance. Jones certainly is, both in the athletic sense and by suppressing the trauma she must feel through every waking hour. "That's where I love to be - out there in front of the fans and under the lights. It takes my mind off everything," she said. How many great actresses have said that? "It's been a difficult time but having my family here has
t-and-f: Devers demise signals retreat of the old guard
Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Tom Knight In the biggest shock Gail Devers, the American world champion who had looked so impressive through the qualifying rounds, pulled up before the fifth barrier in her semi-final of the 100 metres hurdles. The 33-year-old who, in 1996, became the first woman since Wyomia Tyus in 1968 to defend her 100m title successfully was expected to have swept to her first Olympic gold medal in the hurdles. But a hamstring tear sustained last month in Brussels proved one injury too many. There were no histrionics. The woman who has become as famous for her extraordinarily long fingernails as for her hurdling prowess simply accepted the title was never going to be hers. "I thought I was tough enough," said Devers. "My plan was to get in there and run until my leg fell off. I tried to give it my best shot but it wasn't good enough." Earlier in the day, Svetlana Masterkova, the Russian who secured the 800m and 1500m double four years ago, dropped out of her heat of the metric mile with a calf injury. She fell to the ground after a collision on the third lap and walked off the track, clutching the back of her leg. It was a sad end to a glorious career which also included a European title in 1998 and the World Championship gold medal last year in Seville but also major operations on her Achilles tendons in 1997 and 1999. Noureddine Morceli, the Algerian who dominated the mile and 1500m throughout the Nineties, when he won three world titles and the 1996 Olympic gold medal, also fell victim to injury. Morceli, 30, pulled up in the finishing straight of his 1500m semi-final after a tangle with Jason Pyrah of the United States and wandered across the line in last place. For Sergei Bubka, the six-time world champion from Ukraine, elimination from the pole vault qualifying competition merely underlined his fading powers because of injury. At 36, Sydney was always going to be his swansong after a career stretching back 18 years and 35 world records. For all his domination, he has, however, won only one Olympic title, in 1988. In Sydney, where the 1996 champion, Jean Galfione, was also a casualty, Bubka tried unsuccessfully to enter the contest at 5.70m, a height he used to vault as a marker. Nils Schumann, from Germany, was the winner of a scrappy 800m final in which all the main contenders paid the price for abandoning their normal tactics. With the slowest time since Steve Ovett's 1980 triumph, Schumann added the Olympic title to his European crown by winning the sprint to the line in 1min 45.08sec. Wilson Kipketer, the favourite, took the silver medal, 0.06sec behind. He said: "The race was a little crazy." The 400m hurdles went to Angelo Taylor of the US, whose winning time of 47.50sec was a personal best and the fastest in the world this year. Victory marked a significant change of fortune for the 21-year-old from Georgia, who went out in the heats of last year's World Championships. The major surprise came with the silver medal won by Hadi Souan Somalyi, the 23-year-old Saudi Arabian athlete coached in California by John Smith, the former 400m runner who looks after the careers of Maurice Greene and Ato Boldon. There was no surprise in the women's final. In only her fourth competition as a hurdler, Irina Privalova, the 1992 bronze medallist over 200m, used her superior sprint speed to good effect to run a personal best of 53.02sec. On track: Dean Macey who lies in second place in the decathlon The Russian said she switched to hurdling after constant injury problems and revealed she was racing again thanks to surgeons who gave her a new Achilles tendon which was grafted on to her leg from a dead Russian soldier. Britain's Christian Malcolm and Darren Campbell progressed into today's semi-finals of the 200m with major improvements in their personal bests. Malcolm, in particular, looked good with 20.19sec. Dean Macey finished the first day of the decathlon in second place, only eight points behind Chris Huffins of the US after personal bests in the long jump and 400m. Macey, 22, who came from nowhere to win silver at last year's World Championships, ran the 400m in 46.41sec, quicker than Jamie Baulch, Britain's world indoor champion at the distance managed in his first-round exit last week. Macey's training partner, Erki Nool of Estonia, was third after the first five events, while the world champion, Tomas Dvorak of the Czech Republic, was struggling in seventh place. Said Macey: "I should win a medal but Erki deserves the gold more than me. I'm young and I'm going to win the next two." Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
Re: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
I concur with the comments below -- Morceli's losing race would have been reason enough to be seen, even if no American were in it. I taped the late night show and watched the 800 this morning. No comment on the air about what I guess was a disqualification. I really am coming to resent the coverage: I missed the women's 1500 heats which were presumably shown during the day and did not think to tape the 10K which I understand was on the late night session a couple of days ago. I feel that having no idea what is going to shown when shows a real disregard to the true fans. I look forward to hearing about what is on the video. Another problem with having it shown at different times in different time zones is that after an event, I like to be able to call and share comments with my brother who is three time zones away from me. That is gone now. On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Joel Tetreault wrote: actually they did show heat 2 of the mens 1500m semi b/c Gabe Jennings was in it. this was yesterday at 11:00 I think. for what it's worth I taped it. they also had a 7 min segment on Gabe Jennings and what makes him eccentric. I would have rather seen the first heat w/Pyrah and Morceli but over the past five years I've learned not to get my hopes up.
t-and-f: Athletes inspired by Holmes' place
Electronic Telegraph Thursday 28 September 2000 Tom Knight PAULA RADCLIFFE summed up the mood in the British camp by citing the effect Kelly Holmes' courageous bronze medal is having on her team-mates. While Denise Lewis and Jonathan Edwards have won gold here, it seems that Holmes' run in Monday night's 800 metres is proving a more powerful influence. Holmes came to Sydney with little or no form behind her after months spent battling a series of appalling leg injuries. She won the trials but could not achieve the qualifying time, and there were questions over her selection. Yet on Monday she produced her second-quickest time ever to finish third behind Maria Mutola, of Mozambique and Austria's Steffi Graf. Like Holmes and so many of the British team, Radcliffe's preparations for Sydney were also hit by injury. She said: "The team have been doing brilliantly but the outstanding performance so far has to be Kelly's. "I had treatment with the same physiotherapist as Kelly and I know what she has been through in trying to get fit for these Games. Her confidence has been boosted by what she did in the 800m and it has rubbed off on the rest of us. "Other than Kelly, I thought Donna Fraser was outstanding and so was Katharine Merry. When someone goes out and does something special, you think 'I want a piece of that'. "I remember athletes going to the World Championships in 1997 just to get treatment from the physios on the team. Now, with Lottery funding, the support available is wonderful." Radcliffe, the British women's team captain, qualified easily for Saturday's 10,000m final, virtually jogging round to finish sixth in her heat. Holmes, meanwhile, underlined her new-found form by cruising through her heat of the 1500m in 4min 10.38sec to go through into today's semi-finals. John Mayock, a qualifier for the men's 1500m final, also quoted Holmes as an inspiration. "What Kelly did was amazing and I want to do the same," he said. Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?
It is Kederis, without an "n". He was 99 Greek champ in 200/400 -- 20.60 and 45.82. Ran a 20.50/45.66 in 99. Not sure what his PR going into Sydney was, but he did improve throughout the rounds in Sydney. His 20.09 in the final is a Greek Record. --- | Bob Ramsak | OHIO Track Running Report | http://www.trackprofile.com | Cleveland, Ohio USA | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Alan Shank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steven L. Brower [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris? "Steven L. Brower" wrote: Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this individual. Pr's, past rankings, ect In other words, what's the ticket with this? Someone named K. Kederis had a 20.25, 20th performer in 2000 list coming in, and was not among the 10 in T F News' predictions. I don't know whether that is the same guy as Kenteris, but Greece did not enter anyone named "Kederis." Cheers, Alan Shank
t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED
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13 over 1.94 (6' 4 1/4")
non-q Quintero (CUB) (WC in 19??) 1.92, Lapina (RUS) 1.92, Erin Aldrich
(USA) 1.85, Haugland 1.89, Kuptsova (RUS) 1.85, Amy Acuff 1.80 (missed
at 1.85 6' 3/4")
Pantelimon of Romania had an interesting progression:
1.80 o
1.85 x x o
1.89 x o
1.92 o
1.94 x x o
DEC - Huffins, despite running a good-for-him 15, lost 60 points to Nool
and 65 to Seblre. Nool, as we know, had 3 fouls in the DT, but the last
was reversed on appeal. Pappas was 5th, Dvorak 6th.
M LF FINAL
Well, Taurima got the last laugh, as only Dwight Phillips made the
final, finishing 8th, and Taurima got silver, only losing the gold in
the last round to Pedroso's comethrough 8.55 (28' 1/2") jump. Pedros
took the lead at 8.34 in round 2, Taurima tied him in 3 but led on 2nd
jump, Pedroso went 8.41, Taurima 8.40 in round 4, Taurima 8.49 in round
5. I guess Taurima must have been jumping last, since he led after 3
rounds, or don't they do that in the Olympics? If he was last, he still
had a shot after Pedroso's 8.55, and jumped 8.28 (27' 1 3/4").
W 1500 semis qual 5 + 2
race 1
5 finished 4:05.24 - .78 Marla Runyan 6th in 4:06.14 q
Crowley (AUS) and Rogachova (RUS) dnq
race 2
no q
5 in 4:06.60 - 07.65
Ouaziz, 4:09.11, Clarke 4:10.99, Weyerman ("The Wrestler") 4:30.80 dnq.
The gold medalist should come from among Suzy, Szekely, Szabo, Holmes,
Sacramento, Dulecha or Merah-Benida.
W 200
Marion's margin was .43, relatively not as large as in the 100, but
still pretty awesome. Torri Edwards and Nanceen Perry finished 6th and
8th in the second semi, both over 23 seconds. Cathy Freeman finished 7th
in the final with a creditable 22.53; she had a 22.62 on the list coming
in (marks as of 8/23).
M 200
Capel had a .348 reaction time .185 slower than Boldon), but finished
.29s out of the medals. Obadele Thompson shared the same time as Boldon.
(Remember the tie in the 50m free in swimming? They only time to the
100th now, ignoring thousandths. If they did that in track, we'd have
lots of ties, and Oba would have a bronze medal.) Billy Obikwelu, who
ran that great semi in last year's (?) WC, dnq in semi I, 20.71, and
Heard was 8th in semi II in 20.63.
W SP FINAL
Only one throw over 20m (65' 7 1/4") in the entire competition, more
than half the field couldn't reach 19m (62' 4") and the last 4 didn't
even reach 18m (59' 1/2")! Korolchik took the lead in round 1, lost it
to Peleshenko in round 2, with Kumbermuss 3rd. List-leader Krivelova
came within 1 centimeter of Kumbernuss in round 5. Korolchik got her
winner (20.56 - 67' 5 1/4")in the last round. Here again, I'm not sure
whether they swith the order after the first 3 rounds, but, if so,
Peleshenko had the last throw, and it was 19.60, about a meter short.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris
Constantinos Kenteris (the correct spelling is Kenteris and not Kederis of course) went to Sydney with a personal best at 20" 25. which was a National Record for Greece untill yesterday. Kenteris' great capabilities were known in Greece since he was 16 years old. However the luck had turned his back to him for so many years, ad he had to face with injuries and health problems for more than 4 years. Last winter he changed his event to 200 m. after many years as a 400 m. runner. This decision accompanied by the change of the coach, as Kenteris left Ploutarhos Saraslanidis (the former coach of Voula Patoulidou) to join Christos Tzekos' team (the coach of Katerina Thanou and former world indoor champion Charris Papadias). Besides the 200 m. national record, Kenteris set a personal best at 100 m. this year (10" 16) while he had been the national recond holder of 400 m. with 45" 90. until few weeks ago. He also set a 20" 80i last February, while he was 5th in the last European Indoors Champs. After his performance in Gateshead (European Cup) last June, Kenteris was considered by Greek media and athletics' coaches as a candidate for the Olympic's final. The absence of Johnson and Greene obviously left the ground for something better. Kenteris had been a never confessed greek olympic hope for the last months. More from http://www.athletix.gr or http://www.eexi.gr/athletix/ Born in 1973 (June 11) Personal bests: 200 m.: 20" 25 (NR) - 100 m. 10" 16. - 400 m.: 45" 60. - Season's Bests: 20" 25 - 10" 16 2000 European Indoor Championships: 5th 1998 World Cup: 7th 1993 Mediterranean Champion 1993 European 20-22 Championships : 4th 1991 European Juniors Championships : 4th Michalis Nikitaridis - Panayotis Christopoulos
t-and-f: Re: 200M reaction times - Warning results info.
Title: Re: 200M reaction times - Warning results info. Trackies, Capel just got left in the blocks. The coverage I saw on CBC showed he was at least 2 steps behind everybody else. He appeared to move just before the gun went off, and I was expecting a false start. He then froze in the blocks until all the others were at least one step out. He did catchup somewhat, but the deficit was just too great. I dont' know much about Capel's arrogance, outside of his little tongue wagging after yesterday's second round, but did you check out the reaction times... Konstadinos -- .163 Campbell - .174 Boldon - .163 Capel - .348 ! ...Harry Welten, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ESN 395-4943 / 613-765-4943.
t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris - simply a misleading spelling of Konstantin Kederis, the new Olympic champion
Dear friends: The "mystery" is no mystery at all! "it's Greek to me"- but I happen to be familiar with the Greek alphabet and pronunciation and I'll herewith clear it up. The combination "nt" is used for "D" in Greek. More precisely : the letters are "ni" and "theta". A similar combination popular in Greek is one composed of "Mi" (pronounced slightly as "meuw") and "Pi" - it stands for "B". For example: those of you who remember the excellent hammer throw Babaniotis during the 1970s- the spelling of his name would appear - even to those familiar with Greek letters - as "Mpampaniotis". So, indeed, KEDERIS is simply the accurate pronunciation of what was given as "Kenteris", by someone (possibly Greek!) who transcribed the name letter by letter, instead of providing a spelling taht would result in correct spelling! In short: KEDERIS with 20.25 seconds, included in TF News predictions, is, indeed, our new Olympic champion. [As an aside: If you ever happen to visit Athens when Henrik Ibsen's classic play, HEDA GEBLER, is shown in a theatre, you'll find that the spelling of her name in Greek is the equivalent of "Enta Gkempler" in Latin letters!] Yours, Uri Goldbourt (an Israeli- neighbour of Greece...) ___ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alan Shank Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:54 AM To: Steven L. Brower Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris? "Steven L. Brower" wrote: Could anyone on this list shed some light on the background of this individual. Pr's, past rankings, ect In other words, what's the ticket with this? Someone named K. Kederis had a 20.25, 20th performer in 2000 list coming in, and was not among the 10 in T F News' predictions. I don't know whether that is the same guy as Kenteris, but Greece did not enter anyone named "Kederis." Cheers, Alan Shank
Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris
Please tell me that Kenteris was not one of those Greek sprinters who fled when the dope testers showed up in that incident a year or two ago. I'd like to keep at least a few illusions alive, so it would be great if Kenteris was not one of those guys. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Men's 200m and Jon Entine
To play devil's advocate in Entine's defense, his argument has always been about *performance* not placings. Where does 20.09 fit in in the greater scheme of things? If he runs under 20.00 then the case against Entine is a little stronger, if he breaks 19.90 then it really is. That said, I've always thought that since there has to be a wall on the right end of the curve (absolute human performance) it is not that some groups cannot ever produce an individual that will get there, it is just far more unlikely. Whereas West Africans might be consistantly putting people close to that level, Greeks might have an outlier of similar ability every few generations. Paul On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, alan tobin wrote: I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was from East Africa...there ya go Entine, he may be .0001% East African...:) Just like Tiger Woods is "African". Alan From: "malmo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "malmo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Justin Clouder" [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'TF List'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:54:54 -0700 Jon Entine (paraphrased): "No one without African lineage will ever again win Olympic gold in the sprints." Oooops. There goes the neighborhood! malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Clouder Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:56 AM To: 'TF List' Subject: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown away. BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
- Original Message - From: alan tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was from East Africa...there ya go Entine, he may be .0001% East African...:) Just like Tiger Woods is "African". Regardless of whether Mr. Entine was right or wrong, one swallow does not a summer make ...
t-and-f: tolerance of swimming polls - and of track lengths...
But a 5000m run, 12.5 laps around a 400m track that has its own tolerance, is now subject to WR improvements by 0.01 (which is exactly what happened when Said Aouita first broke Moorcroft's WR of 13:00.42 minutes) - why, then, did IAAF increase the 0.01 measurement range for every distance on the track? ..because that would increase the number of WR broken, apparently. And if a dead heat occurred they'll still separate it by thousandths of a second. Different international federations have different policies. ___ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kurt Bray Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED (Remember the tie in the 50m free in swimming? They only time to the 100th now, ignoring thousandths. If they did that in track, we'd have lots of ties, and Oba would have a bronze medal.) They used to time to thousandths in swimming until it was pointed out to them that, at swimming speeds, 1/1000th of a second does not represent very much distance. In fact it was less than the tolerance to which they could construct pools. Thus, one swimmer's lane could be several thousandths of a second shorter or longer than another's and hence timing to 1/1000ths was meaningless and unfair. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: t-and-f: Mens and Women's 200
Not true for the women's race either (Zhana Tarnapolskaya-Block, previous world champion). ___--- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Philip Weishaar Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 2:32 PM To: track list Subject: t-and-f: Mens and Womens 200 Don't know if NBC will say this but CBC said after the womens final, all competitors ran either a personal best, season best, or national record. The mens race was obviously not the case. No one ran under 20 sec anytime during the event. (When was the last Olympics for that?)
t-and-f: News Article
http://www.olympics.smh.com.au/news/2000/09/28/FFXIT2IJNDC.html Enjoy. Schiefer http://tnfmedia.rivals.com
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
--- Alan Shank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not necessarily. Michael Johnson and Marion Jones were both "beaten" in prelim races. Many athletes have the attitude that the goal is to advance safely while conserving as much energy as possible. There have been many instances of athletes foolishly wasting energy on unnecessary sprint finishes in the rounds, only to run slower in the final. True. I was referring to Lewis Johnson's comments about Capel and his coach saying he nearly screwed up in the first round (which I did not see) by taking it too casually, or something to that effect. Still, half the field in any given prelim is probably running for a PR. We are so used to these championship events being held in hot-weather sites, great for the sprints but terrible for the distances. Yeah, but we often see better performances with less at stake in worse conditions in Oregon. The guys were easing up for times in the semis that would have won the final, and the wind numbers don't look all that significant. Dan = http://AbleDesign.com - AbleDesign, Web Design that Can! http://Run-Down.com - 8,400 Running Links, Free Contests... @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
t-and-f: CBC Suspends Olympics Coverage
Because of the death of former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, the CBC is presently airing uninterrupted news and reactions to his passing. They say they'll be resuming Olympics coverage "sometime in the evening." They've been on this story since just before 6pm EDT on Thursday. Jim Bendat _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: MEB and ABDI IN SYDNEY
WAY WAY WAY too logical Rich...back to the original point, a)young up and comers at age 22, 23, 24 need to commit to racing the marathon rather than waiting until they are slow and old and b) we as a group ran better back then because we trained our asses off and didn't know crapola about physiology nor were we pulled by the local yokel 5 mile dash for cash...it didn't exist -Mike - Original Message - From: Richard McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mike fanelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: TFMail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: MEB and ABDI IN SYDNEY Mike, one problem--there weren't many sub 28:20 guys to move up to the marathon in the early 90s! Look at how slow the 10k people were in the 92 and 96 Trials!(And I didn't see Pat Porter (an excellent candidate for marathoning) running much on the roads.) They just weren't around. That's my point. I don't think you can attribute this lack of talent to road racing. If you look at the collegiate markes, which are largely untainted by road racing opportunities, the marks in the late 80s thru mid 90s were miserable! Nothing at the top end, and no depth in the 5 or 10k. Bottom line: the US had little talent to spare for marathoning during that period. If you could run sub 28:20, you could do quite well in the US without moving up to the marathon during that period, so why bother. In the early 1980s, when we had hot marathoners, you needed to think you could run sub 28 to even have a shot at an international team. So sub 28:20 meant it was time to move up back then. Maybe we're starting to arrive back at that point again. Then we'll see those guys moving up to the marathon again. Richard McCann At 06:55 PM 9/27/2000 -0700, mike fanelli wrote: While I appreciate the input, Brad Hudson is not a particularly good example...we're talking about athletes who are in the 28:20 (or better) range over 10,000 meters moving up sooner rather than later...during the ,'90s, these guys typically moved on to the weekly road circuit, racing up to 10 or so miles in order to make $250-$2000...road whores with no true sense of purpose... let's take 10 guys who've run sub 28:20 and are under 26 years old and send then to USOC training Center in Chula Vista and work with them and their coaches toward a marathon effort as part of a specific racing/training cycle...betcha we get some results. (good ones) -Mike
t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS 400m Relay
PAGE DOWN In the opening round, USA ran Brokenburr, Montgomery, Lewis and Greene. They ran 38.15 to won their heat. Other heat winners were: CIV 39.06 BRA 38.32 FRA 39.00 CUB 38.74 Italy, Nigeria, Jamaica, Australia, Japan and Poland also broke 39. Russia dnq with 39.29. Ghana dnf In women's 400m R, USA results not yet up. In heat 1, Australia dnf. In heat 2, Jamaica 42.46, Germany 42.82, UK dnq. In heat 3, Bahamas 42.58. More later. Cheers, Alan Shank
t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED
W 400 R first round PAGE DOWN In heat 4 USA ran Gaines, Edwards, Perry and Richardson, won in 42.92. Russia 43.15, Nigeria 43.28 Interesting - saving Marion's legs vs. getting the passing practice they need. Other teams: Jamaica - Lawrence, Campbell, McDonal, Frazer Bahamas - Clarke-Lewis, Sturrup, Davies-Thompson, Fines
RE: t-and-f: Kostas Kenteris (time to learn about him!)
Thanks a lot for the useful and interesting information, however the final paragraph was quite out of place. I don't think Michael Johnson and Flo-Jo belong in the same league- not nearly. Good luck. ___ -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Panayotis ChristopoulosSent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:56 PMTo: tf listSubject: t-and-f: Kostas Kenteris (time to learn about him!) Dear friends, I have read all the messages on Kenteris and the 200 m. race and I use this victory as an oppoprtunity to post some thoughts. But first I'll give you some details on the Greek champion. He was born in 1973 in a an island close to the Turkish coast, Mitilini. He was considered a talent since he was a junior. His career highlights, as Michalis Nikitarides has already posted: 1st 400 m. Mediterranean Games '93 1st 400 m. World School Champs '90 6th 200 m. World Juniors Champs '92 4th 400 m. Euro Juniors Champs '91 4th 400 m. Under 23 Euro Champs '93 5th 200 m. Indoors Euro Champs '2000 NRs in 400 m. (until few weeks ago) and 200 m. (20" 25. before Sydney) He was quite unlucky having many injuries over the last years and never managed to fulfill his capabilites as shown when he was a junior. This year he moved from Salonica to Athens, and from Saraslamides (Patoulidou's coach) to Tzekos (Thanou's coach) and decided to devote himself only to 200 m. and forget all about 400 m. About the race: We knew from the beginning that there was no big favourite for this race. Greene and Johnson were out, Boldon is a well known loser (and whoever betted his money on him is a loser, too), Obadele Thompson is an eternal 4th (congrads on the bronze medal -at last!!!), the three remaining Americans were the grand dad Heard, who could not possibly run another sub 20" race this year, Coby(who?) Miller and an ex-football player, namedJohn Capel.I mean, with this field wasn't it a great chance for anybody else to win? Anyone who had the basic abilities to run at about 20" 10. could win this race, no matter who big a name he had. Darren Campbell also came to Sydney with a very slow PB compared to the others. However, both Kenteris and Campbell entered the track as outsiders but wioth a great potential to win, because they knew they were not worse than Boldon or the Americans. To show you that I really believed it was an open race from the beginning, I bet Kenteris for 51 times my money, even before the Semis... After the Semis, I was pretty sure about the gold (seeing his excellent race) and that my money were at a good place.The only thing that scared me was John Capel, having ran a 20" 10., however it has been a lot of times to see a great runner at the semis and prelims, doing nothing at the final, where psychology matters. On the drug issue: Ok, blame Kenteris and Campbell for making a great surprise, and blame them for drugs if you like. I am sure that Flo -Jo wasn't using drugs, running men's times. Now she's dead. And MJ's 19" 32. was not done on drugs. Hedid itjust drinking his mother's milk. And it will never fall as a WR. Marion Jones also is married to a confirmed drug user (although he himself was unaware of how drugs were found in his blood) but she has never seen drugs in her life and she's crystal clear like water. I personaly believe that in this level of competition no athlete eats his mama's food. They feed only on pills andinjections... If you have any doubt on that, take a look at everybody's 0% fat bodies, their jaws, thin tissues, six packs where you can play the piano easily, teeth bracelets, pimples on grown women's faces. And finally, stop hiding behind your fingers. PANAYOTIS CHRISTOPOULOS -The Athletix Site (www.athletix.gr) P.S. Ben Johnson was the greatest sprinter of all times. He was running sub 9" 8 12 years ago and he's still alive, too!
Re: t-and-f: Ancient Olympics
Weren't the ancient Olympics shut down by the Emperor because of cheating and corruption? Partly, but mostly the Emperor Theodosius shut down the ancient games because they were a pagan religious festival (dedicated to Zeus), and he was a devout and intolerant Christian. Kurt Bray _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Sorry the tape is gone.
The tape of the 10,000m and the 5,000m has been given away. Sorry to everyone who emailed and didn't get it. Matt Stohl _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: 200
Out of town and away from computer all day ... What do you make of the men's 200 ?? Am trying to wait til I SEE it to start making comments .. And did you see Devers race last night .. Surprised there are no posts talking about her "muscle pull" .. That was the lamest thing I ever saw .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?
About 1:30 or 2:00 AM I patiently waited till 11:30 (EST) last night, _hoping_ that I could finally watch what was supposed to be a great 800, but finally gave up and went to bed. Does anyone know what time it was on? That's sad .. I waited up all night to see a marquee race that I never saw .. Sort of puts the capper on NBC's coverage .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Men's 1500: NBC Sucks!
write a letter to the ny times and copy some of the sponsors, along with nbc. this is the only way to get some activity. the manner in which they are programming this isn't nearly as bad as the arrogance. they know what they are doing and how most viewers feel, they go ahead and tell you they are doing it and it goes on. the example cited here is one of many, including the sprints and the 10,000. most everyone knew the results of the mens 100m and they still decided to drag the event into the midnight hour. no concern for the kids who might be interested or anyone else. the same for the 400m... a disgrace.
Re: t-and-f: Cassell quote
http://www.thestar.com/editorial/updates/olympics/misc/2927SPT04b_SP-RANDY.html this article includes this paragraph: -- American sprinter Dennis Mitchell was suspended for an illegal level of testosterone, but let off by U.S. Track and Field after offering up the ``sex and beer'' defence. He said his testosterone levels were inflated because he had sex four times and drank five beers the night before. -- What's this "let off" stuff? I thought Mitchell was made to serve his suspension. The writer of this article obviously has an agenda and is not interested in facts. Only those facts which seem to support his theory of "the story". And any other facts he bends to support his thesis. In other words, the worst kind of journalism. RT
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:40:09 GMT, you wrote: I wonder what Mr. Entine has to say about this? Open mouth, insert foot Entine. Maybe, just maybe, genetics isn't as important as some people think. Then again maybe Kenteris's great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was from East Africa...there ya go Entine, he may be .0001% East African...:) Just like Tiger Woods is "African". Alan Perhaps this formula? Best-of-the-best-of-the-best-European Genetics + chemical aids occasionally (on rare occasions) mediocre west african genetics on their worst day with no chemical aids Notice Greek results throughout this Games, such as both sprints and throws. Look at who their coaches are, and the extent of out-of-competition testing and the result of tests (and fist-fights with doping flying squads and targeted athletes fleeing to the airport) over the last few years. Draw your own conclusion. My conclusion: Greece and China are the 'East Germany' of the first decade of the 21st Century. RT
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m
In a message dated Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:54:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.09 2. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.14 3. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.20 4. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.20 5. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.23 6. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.28 7. Coby Miller (USA) 20.35 8. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 What happened to the 19.96 and 19.85 :-) :-) :-) :-) Those times were run over two months ago, when Capel and Miller were in top shape. sideshow
t-and-f: Korzeniowski walks into Olympic history
Korzeniowski walks into Olympic history 29 September 2000 Poland's Robert Korzeniowski has won the arduous 50-kilometre walk at the Sydney 2000 Games to become the first man in history to take out the men's Olympic walk double. Korzeniowski's first gold came in the 20km walk on 16 September the first gold of the Games which was decided in controversial circumstances. Korzeniowski finished the race in second, but winner Bernardo Segura of Mexico was later disqualified to give the Pole the title. But there was no controversy over the longer distance. Korzeniowski was in superb form, winning in three hours and 42.22 seconds. Latvia's Aigars Fadejevs won the silver, 1.12 behind in 3:43.40. Mexico's Joel Sanchez, the last walker to fight Korzeniowski for the race lead, took bronze in 3:44.36. The Pole kept up a good pace throughout the race, a pace which no other athlete could keep up with. The race took place in hot and humid conditions, making life difficult for the walkers, although Korzeniowski didn't seemed to mind. After crossing the line waved his arms in the air then dropped to the ground to kiss the track. Darren Booth Olympics.com
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
In a message dated Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "A.J. Craddock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It could also be what happens when a contender deliberately "tanks" a race. Check Capel's reaction time from the blocks for a start. No-one can be that slow when they are trying to win. Especially from Lane 4 where you are in the thick of the action. 0.348?? Twice the reaction time of the winner?? And this kind of a performance from a guy that blew everyone away in his semi-final with a 20.10 into a -1.1 headwind? I leave it to your imagination as to why he was under instructions not to be on the medal stand. Tony Craddock _ At 01:55 PM 9/28/00 +0100, Justin Clouder wrote: Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown away. BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby Miller (USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** It could also be what happens when a contender deliberately "tanks" a race. Check Capel's reaction time from the blocks for a start. No-one can be that slow when they are trying to win. Especially from Lane 4 where you are in the thick of the action. 0.348?? Twice the reaction time of the winner?? And this kind of a performance from a guy that blew everyone away in his semi-final with a 20.10 into a -1.1 headwind? I leave it to your imagination as to why he was under instructions not to be on the medal stand. Tony Craddock Christ, Craddock, when are you gonna stop this sh*t? Did you even see the race before you jumped to your keyboard to write this post? Capel jerked while in the set position, and the race should've been recalled. For those of you who weren't able to see all the rounds of the 200, Kederis looked very impressive in the second round, and really wasn't a surprise winner. Boldon looked most unimpressive in all the rounds. sideshow
Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED
Yeah, and if Freeman was one of ours, we would have gotten a 7th in the Women's 200 even using the Australian system. But I guess if MG or MJ had flinched at the start there might have been a recall. Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Justin Clouder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'TF List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:12 AM Subject: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED Scroll down . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh dear USA. 7th, 8th and a losing semi-finalist at 200m. I guess this is what happens when you decide you can do without the reiging world and olympic champs (each of whom won their main event in Sydney). This is only going to get worse for you - the world is a bigger and more competitive place now. Question - when the "everyone gets an equal chance" approach starts costing medals and thus publicity and thus interest, what is more important? MG vs MJ would have been one of the highlights of the games, indeed of any games - even NBC would have realised that. Instead, they probably won't show the 200m final at all. A traditional power event for the USA, a key component of publicity which the sport so badly needs, thrown away. BTW I hate to mention it, but a few people need to take back some of the abuse thrown at Stephen Francis, who correctly predicted, to general US-sourced derision, that no American would be on the podium. And while we're here, someone should give a little talk to John Capel, reminding him that there are no prizes for fast qualifying times. A key moment came when he raced Campbell in one of the earlier rounds. He ran harder than he needed to so as to make sure he beat Campbell, then pranced around grandstanding for a few minutes. This after a first round heat remember. Campbell jogged through the line and carried on jogging right off the track and back home to prepare for the next race. Personally I really enjoy unearned arrogance being beaten out of someone, so please excuse a little schadenfreude as I peruse the results below: Men's 200m final: 1. Konstantinos Kenteris (GRE) 20.092. Darren Campbell (GBR) 20.143. Ato Boldon (TRI) 20.204. Obadele Thompson (BAR) 20.205. Christian Malcolm (GBR) 20.236. Claudinei Silva (BRA) 20.287. Coby Miller (USA) 20.358. John Capel Jr (USA) 20.49 Justin ** Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in the message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply Email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet Email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Abbott Mead Vickers BBDO Ltd or its Group/Associated Companies shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by them. Abbott Mead Vickers.BBDO Limited. Registered in England. Registered Number 1935786. Registered Office 151 Marylebone Rd, London NW1 5QE. Telephone 020 7616 3500. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: t-and-f: Bob Costas's view of race walking
Netters, From the villiage here... What Costas did. Was in 88. He or rather the producers had some callopy type music played then Costas said :He didn't set a world record, but at least he walked like a man." Now, after that he got a ton of letters and in 92 said "I donb't know haw may racewalkers there are in the U.S. but they sure do write a lot of letters." Then he played a taped tribute. The whispering loudest coment is one said many but the first one i have ever heard it attirbuted to was someone with a last name: Hersh. Honestly don't know which one. The 50k was viloently hot and Koresonoswki is incredible! AOY - no one else can even compare. Two Golds. Defends the undefendable does the undoable double! This rival even a paltry 200-400 double. Back to the villiage. Reports coming soon, now that I can get on a comp.
t-and-f: Official Results - 50 KILOMETRES WALK ROAD - Men - Final
For some reason Brian Abshire shows instead of Phillip Dunn . . . I don't know why . . . but the 50KM steeplechase would be a bitch! http://www.iaaf.org/OLY00/results/index.asp Official Results - 50 KILOMETRES WALK ROAD - Men - Final Friday, September 29, 2000 - 8:00 Pos Athlete Country Mark 1 KorzeniowskiRobert POL 3:42:22 2 FadejevsAigars LAT 3:43:40 3 SánchezJoel MEX 3:44:36 (PB) 4 MassanaValentí ESP 3:46:01 5 MatyukhinNikolay RUS 3:46:37 6 DeakesNathan AUS 3:47:29 (PB) 7 RodriguezMiguel Angel MEX 3:48:12 8 MagdziarczykRoman POL 3:48:17 (PB) 9 LiepinsModris LAT 3:48:36 (SB) 10 YangYongjian CHN 3:48:42 (PB) 11 RakovicAleksandar YUG 3:49:16 (SB) 12 GarcíaJesús Angel ESP 3:49:31 13 WangYinhang CHN 3:50:19 (PB) 14 LangloisDenis FRA 3:52:56 15 KorepanovSergey KZK 3:53:30 16 HoluaMilo CZE 3:53:48 (SB) 17 TichýPeter SVK 3:54:47 18 BarrettCraig NZL 3:55:53 19 TrautmannMike GER 3:56:19 20 Malíktefan SVK 3:56:44 (SB) 21 TrautmannDenis GER 3:58:14 22 ClausenCurt USA 3:58:39 23 KorcokPeter SVK 3:58:46 24 OdriozolaMikel ESP 3:59:50 25 BorisovValeriy KZK 4:01:11 26 PoteminVladimir RUS 4:02:38 27 RussellDion AUS 4:02:50 28 AbshireBrian USA 4:03:05 (SB) 29 CaudronSylvain FRA 4:03:22 30 ZujusDaugvinas LIT 4:06:04 31 HermannAndrew USA 4:07:18 32 ShelestAlexey UKR 4:07:39 33 MartinsPedro POR 4:08:13 34 CousinsDuane AUS 4:10:43 35 BruvelisUgis LAT 4:11:41 36 ImamuraFumio JPN 4:13:28 37 DudásGyula HUN 4:17:55 38 CostinJamie IRL 4:24:22 39 MaddocksChristopher GBR 4:52:12 SpitsynValeriy RUS DNF StamatopoulosTheodoros GRE DNF Di MezzaArturo ITA DNF PillerRené FRA DNF LipiecTomasz POL DNF KastanisSpyros GRE DNF IhlyRobert GER DNF PerricelliGiovanni ITA DNF BrugnettiIvano ITA DNF CzukorZoltán HUN DQ CiumacencoFedosei MOL DQ GinkoViktor BLR DQ KononenValentin FIN DQ HuertaArturo CAN DQ SánchezGermán MEX DQ BerrettTim CAN DQ KoikeAkihiko JPN DQ
t-and-f: Perfection the key to Korzeniowski double
http://www.iaaf.org/oly00/news/index.asp?Filename=/news/Articles/getnews.asp?Code=2684 Perfection the key to Korzeniowski doubleSWJ for IAAF 29 September 2000 - Coming back to the road after a break of a few days, Polands Robert Korzeniowski became the first man in Olympic history to take double gold in the mens walks here today. Korzeniowski was awarded the gold medal in the mens 20 kilometre walk just one week ago following the disqualification of the man first over the finishing line, Mexicos Bernardo Segura. Today there was no contesting Korzeniowskis domination of the race and his successful defence of the 50 kilometre title he won in Atlanta in 1996. "I have done what I came here to do," said Korzeniowski after winning the event. "I was going to do the 20 kilometre race as a pre-competition lead up to the 50 km; it was only about a month ago that I decided I would go all out and give 100 percent in the 20km." Korzeniowski found victory in Sydney easier than in Atlanta: "Compared to Atlanta, the weather was harder here, but the win was easier here. "In Atlanta we were fighting it out right up to kilometre 45. Here in Sydney I pushed up the pace at 43 kilometre, where the course went up a gradient. I was prepared to make another attempt to break away at 45 kilometres if that hadnt worked, but no one was able to follow me. "I was really concentrating on being clean and I had only one warning early in the race for bending. "It is funny, it is always the same judge who gives me the same warning in nearly every competition. He is Hungarian and his name is Kovacs. He always gives me a warning when he is on the course. Once that was over and done with I knew that I was OK." What is the secret of Korzeniowskis success? "I am at the top of my career now. I have matured through all the championships I have competed in," he replies. "I have been trying to manage my seasons well, competing and also taking a break when I need it. In November, for example, I will go and do thalassotherapy for a month to keep my body in shape. "But the mind is just as important as the body. I balance my time between my training, my hobbies, my family and my friends and managing my business. This way I come to every competition wanting to compete. After all this time it is still a pleasure." Korzenioswki also has his word to say about race walking judges. "The best solution is to select them very carefully. It is the only way, until there is some electronic solution that will check for loss of contact. Often in race walking some of the judges judging the competition have not seen a race for a year, something that would be impossible in a sport like football, for example. "This was not the case here, but it is often a real war between the judges and the athletes. "But we must not be afraid of the judges. We must strive for perfection. "After all, we are competing at the highest level and perfection is the name of the game. Of course, the same applies to the judges too!"
t-and-f: U.S. offers to hand over drug testing to world agency
SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- Under fire for allegedly suppressing positive drug tests, USA Track Field proposed that its entire doping control program be handed over to an independent world body. Craig Masback, executive director of USATF, suggested Friday (Thursday night EDT) that the World Anti-Doping Agency handle all in-competition and out-of-competition tests for American athletes and investigate any positive cases. USATF also announced it was forming a special commission to review its drug-testing procedures and address allegations that a number of positive cases have been covered up. Arne Ljungqvist, the anti-doping chief of the International Amateur Athletic Federation, said last week that USATF had withheld information on 12 to 15 positive tests in the past two years. Masback denied any cover-ups, insisting that USATF was bound by American confidentiality laws and rules preventing the disclosure of names of athletes who test positive until due process has run its course. Masback said no U.S. athletes competing in the Sydney Games had failed drug tests. He said the majority of cases still under wraps involved substances for which athletes had medical waivers, others involved cold-medicine products, and the rest were still being investigated. USATF's policies came under intense scrutiny following disclosures this week that shot put world champion C.J. Hunter, husband of sprint star Marion Jones, had failed four drug tests in Europe this summer. The news was confirmed only after leaks in the media. International Olympic Committee officials criticized the U.S. policy and urged USATF to come clean on all test results. White House drug policy director Barry McCaffrey also called for a full, public accounting of the tests. Masback met this week with IOC vice president Dick Pound, who also serves as chairman of the World-Anti-Doping Agency. The body was set up last year to coordinate a global program of out-of-competition testing. "After my meeting with Dick Pound, it was apparent to me that in spite of our best efforts in the doping control area, Mr. Pound and others do not have total confidence in how we have handled doping matters," Masback said in a statement. "USATF has been a pioneer in drug testing and has never covered up a positive test. Our Olympic team is the most-tested group of athletes in history. We believe that WADA control of our anti-doping program will ensure international confidence in the system." In a separate letter to Pound, Masback said he was unable to find a way to run a drug control program subject to the competing jurisdictions of the IAAF and the U.S. Olympic Committee. He also cited "shortcomings" of certain IOC-accredited testing labs and the challenge of working within the confines of U.S. law. "I propose that WADA take over USA Track Field's entire doping control program," Masback wrote. "WADA would administer and conduct our in-competition and out-of-competition drug testing programs and adjudicate all cases." Under Masback's proposal, WADA would render a final decision to USATF, whose only role would be to take any disciplinary action. There was no immediate response from Pound. Until now, WADA's role has been limited to funding and controlling out-of-competition testing. It has not conducted in-competition testing and has had no role in prosecuting positive cases, leaving that up to the international sports federations Meanwhile, USATF announced the formation of a panel to assess the federation's compliance with anti-doping rules. The commission will be comprised of Micki King, U.S. diving gold medalist at the 1972 Olympics and current Assistant Athletic Director at the University of Kentucky; Curtis H. Barnette, Chairman Emeritus of Bethlehem Steel Corp. and a lawyer in Washington D.C.; and Richard H. McLaren, a law school professor at the University of Western Ontario. McLaren, who has been a long-standing member of the Court of Arbitration for Sport, will chair the panel. Masback also invited Pound to sit on the commission. The review will be completed in 90 days and its findings made public, Masback said.
Re: t-and-f: U.S. offers to hand over drug testing to world agency
In a separate letter to Pound, Masback said he was unable to find a way to run a drug control program subject to the competing jurisdictions of the IAAF and the U.S. Olympic Committee. He also cited "shortcomings" of certain IOC-accredited testing labs and the challenge of working within the confines of U.S. law. "I propose that WADA take over USA Track Field's entire doping control program," Masback wrote. "WADA would administer and conduct our in-competition and out-of-competition drug testing programs and adjudicate all cases." Under Masback's proposal, WADA would render a final decision to USATF, whose only role would be to take any disciplinary action. There was no immediate response from Pound. ^ ^^^ ^^ ^ ^ Ha! stick it right in his mouth, Craig! Let one of the prime grand-standing speechmakers choke on his own words! I love it... It's about time the whiners are made to put up or shut up... And four years from now, Americans reserve the right to heap tons of abuse on Dick Pound for the sorry state of affairs he has let track field slip into since Sydney. Randy Treadway
