Re: t-and-f: Thiam puts Senegal on sporting map
The Electronic Telegraph Thursday 9 August 2001 Tom Knight [...] Merry said: [...] I'm glad Breuer didn't win because of her tarnished past. Does that mean, she wishes her teammate Mark Richardson not to win because of his tarnished past? Once guilty, ever guilty? Hard to believe. Ralf Linnemann
t-and-f: USATF Release: JOHNSON WINS THIRD WORLD TITLE!
Contact:Jill M. Geer Director of Communications At the USATF Xerox Media Center: 780-821-4130 http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, August 8, 2001 Johnson wins third world title Hysong and Crawford bring home bronze EDMONTON - Allen Johnson on Thursday night completed his yearlong recovery from injury in dramatic and heroic fashion, holding off 2000 Olympic gold medalist Anier Garcia of Cuba to win his third World Championships title in the 110-meter hurdles. Olympic gold Nick Hysong won bronze in the men's pole vault and Shawn Crawford emerged with bronze in a stunning 200m photo finish, boosting Team USA's medal count in Edmonton to 11 medals, including 4 gold. Team USA athletes also performed very well in Thursday's qualifying rounds. The 1996 Olympic champion, Johnson got a terrific start and held off Garcia over the final two hurdles to win in a world-leading time of 13.04 seconds. Garcia was second in 13.07 and Dudley Dorival of Haiti was third in a national-record time of 13.25. Dawane Wallace finished seventh in 13.76. Johnson had injured his hamstring shortly before the Sydney Olympics and finished fourth, then had ankle problems during the indoor season. His performance Thursday showed no trace of those setbacks and gave him another Worlds gold to add to his titles from 1995 and 1997. I really appreciate that I was able to come out here and win this one, aid Johnson, who never broke stride and he headed right into his victory lap. I wanted it extremely badly. I felt like I really, really had something to prove this time. This one (world title) is by far the best. I think the statement I made is, I decide when I'm finished. Each time I'm on the track, anytime I'm healthy, I'm the one to beat. Hysong had his best performance of the year at Commonwealth Stadium, and his timing couldn't have been better. He cleared 5.85m/19-2.5 to finish third, Hysong's highest place at a World Championships. Dmitri Markov of Australia won with a championships record of 6.05m/19-10.25, and Aleksandr Averbukh of Israel was second at 5.85. American Tim Mack finished ninth with a clearance of 5.75m/18-10.25. Averbukh beat Hysong on misses, just as Hysong finished ahead of fourth and fifth place finishers Michael Stolle of Germany and Romain Mesnil of France, both of whom made 5.85. Hysong had one miss at 5.85 - his only miss of the night before 5.90m - which Averbukh cleared on his first attempt. The men's 200m was nothing short of astonishing, with thousandths of a second separating second through fourth place. Running in lane 6, American Kevin Little came off the turn in the lead, with Shawn Crawford in lane two last. Olympic champion Konstandinos Kederis of Greece assumed the lead and provided the only easy determination of finish in the race, winning in 20.04 seconds. The field then moved to form a virtual straight line at the finish, with Crawford moving up strongly in the final meters. Only Marlon Devonish of Great Britain, in lane 8, was off the pace. It was minutes later before Christopher Collins of Jamaica was declared second in 20.20, with Crawford third and Kim Collins of St. Kitts and Nevis fourth, both timed in 20.20 as well. The result was later revised to place Crawford and Collins in an official tie for third. Christian Malcom of Great Britain was fifth in 20.22, Stephane Buckland of Mauritius sixth in 20.22, Little seventh in 20.25 and Devonish eighth in 20.38 In the only final for U.S. women on Thursday, Debbi Lawrence was the top American in the 20k race walk, finishing 18th in a season's best time of 1:37:57. Jill Zenner was 25th in 1:42:43. Michelle Rohl was disqualified. For their performances, Johnson and Lawrence were named the Xerox Athletes of the Day. Qualifying rounds went extremely well for the Americans. Team USA placed three women in Friday's final of the 200m. Marion Jones (22.40) won her heat, and Kelli White (22.54 personal best) and LaTasha Jenkins (22.63) were second on their heats. Defending world champion Inger Miller was fourth in her heat in a seasonal best 22.82 and did not advance. Three men's long jumpers will compete in their final on Saturday. Savante Stringfellow let loose with a personal-best jump of 8.33m/27-4 on his first attempt to automatically qualify for the final on Saturday and post the best jump of the day. Dwight Phillips qualified sixth with a jump of 7.95m/26-1, and Miguel Pate qualified eighth at 7.89m/25-10.75. All four women's 100m hurdlers moved easily into the semifinals, with Anjanette Kirkland (12.69 season best), defending World Champion Gail Devers (12.71) and Jenny Adams (12.80) winning their heats. Donica Merriman was third in her race in 12.88 and also advanced. Hazel Clark moved on to Friday's semifinals, placing fifth in the first and fastest heat of the first round in 2:00.56, the sixth-fastest time of the day. Paul McMullen was
Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running
Is it really necessary to quote the original message in full length to every follow-up only to add an one-liner? I am receiving the t-and-f digest and it is irritating to wade through the same hundreds of lines over and over to spot the reply. Ralf Linnemann
t-and-f: Al Sheahen's indictment of WMA
Greetings, all: If you met him on the street, you'd call Al Sheahen shy. He doesn't get outwardly emotional. He doesn't show off. From his modest apartment in Sherman Oaks, California, he quietly goes about the business of publishing and editing the most important publication in the world of masters track. Although Sheahen no longer owns National Masters News (it was sold to Runner's World publisher Rodale Press several years ago), NMN is still his baby. The official world and USA publication devoted to masters track, long-distance running and racewalking has been a staple of the movement for decades (with its main editorial office in Eugene, Oregon). It has changed hardly a whit in terms of design and organization all those years. But the August 2001 issue of NMN is a breakthrough. I'd even call it historic. Al Sheahen has broken his silence. For the first time, NMN has shown some guts -- sharply criticizing the world governing body of masters track, now called World Masters Athletics. In a long and carefully argued column titled `Which Way, WMA?' Sheahen blasts the conduct of the Brisbane world meet and rips to shreds WMA's (formerly WAVA's) pretense that it has athletes' interest at heart first and foremost. My summary of Sheahen's points: 1. Brisbane, host of the recent world masters championships, made $11 million from visitors to the meet but went on a cost-cutting binge that horrified many athletes and broke promises to WMA. Among these broken promises: no free shuttles between hotels and venues, few signs to guide athletes, pathetic reporting of results at the meet, and a cancellation (in effect) of closing ceremonies. The promised singing of `Waltzing Matilda' didn't happen, Sheahen notes. Sheahen quotes Gilberto Gonzalez, a leader of the 2003 Puerto Rico masters world meet, as saying that Brisbane's attitude was: The Games are over, we've got you're money, goodbye. It was awful; we won't do that in Puerto Rico. 2. WMA's biennial convention didn't permit debate on the merits of the three bid candidates for the 2005 world meet. In the end, San Sebastian, Spain (smack in the middle of Basque terrorist country and with the `weakest presentation' of the three cities) was awarded the 2005 meet ahead of Helsinki and Sacramento. Sheahen wrote: Both Helsinki and Sacramento were treated shabbily. The three bidders were forced to wait all day and then allowed only 20 minutes each to present their cases. These bidders were high-minded, serious people who spent a fortune to prepare and come here. Yet WAVA brushed them aside with an arrogance that seemed to say: `We've got plenty of bids; we don't have to be nice to you or anyone.' Such an attitude may well come back to haunt WMA in the future. The Helsinki representatives reportedly stormed out, saying they would never again submit themselves to such treatment and humiliation. 3. Secrecy has become epidemic in WMA. Reports of the WAVA site-review teams (whose trips the athletes paid for) were never made public. An American delegate was thrown out of three standing committee meetings. WMA still hasn't disclosed details on why the 2003 world meet was yanked from Kuala Lumpur. And at the Women's Assembly, it was a virtual secret whether a new chairperson would be chosen by the Women's `Assembly' or the Women's `Committee.' Or would Bridget Cushen continue as chair for two more years? Or four more? No one knew.(Eventually a floor vote was forced, with candidates for women's rep forced to compose two-minute speeches on the spur of the moment.) 4. Officiating at the meet was generally fine but showed a dark side. Eight runners -- including three potential gold medalists -- were DQ'd in the heats of the 400. In the relays, 17 teams were DQ'd for minor infractions. Earlier, WAVA had threatened to DQ people who walked in the marathon. Sheahen wrote: Officials should be told these are not the Olympics, but a friendly gathering of older athletes. Rules should be followed, but fairness and common sense should be paramount. 5. Delegates voted that WMA adopt IAAF anti-doping rules -- but made no effort to consider possible medical exemptions for older athletes who take drugs on banned list that are crucial to their healthy lives. Sheahen wrote: A motion that masters should be freed from strict controls until more data are available on age-required medication did not even reach the floor for discussion. 6. WMA voted to mandate team uniforms for future world meets, which Sheahen called a 180-degree turn from the early days when WAVA deliberately tried to stay away from the nationalism that has long permeated open athletics. 7. VIP functions were everywhere -- giving average athletes the clear impression they weren't welcome. Sheahen wrote: At least one WAVA Council member was rightfully embarrassed by the ostentatious display. The whole thing smacked of elitism -- royalty vs. the rabble and an `us'
Re: t-and-f: What in the world happened?
In a message dated 8/9/01 21:02:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All I have is the agate on the IAAF/Edmonton web site- 42 women started the 20K Walk, and FIFTEEN OF THEM got disqualified!!! Is that a new record or something? More than a third of the field. i make no claims to being a walk aficionado, but in the limited amount of time alloted to me to introduce the leading characters before they left the stadium, I think I menitoned 9 people and 7 of them got DQed. It wasn't just that a lot of people got nicked, it was that a high percentage of them were legit medal contenders. gh
Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
In a message dated 8/9/01 15:32:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What we have left in these games are a group of sprinters who 18 months ago would have had to fight for good lane draws in the semis .. As one who for many years placed raw numbers ahead of reality, I'm somewhat hypocriical in criticizing Conway here, but... as somebody who saw the race in person i've got to say that I may never have seen a greater 200. It blows MJ's 19.32 out of the water, for instance. The real name of the game in the sport is COMPETITION, and i (and i suspect none of you) have ever seen a half-lapper to match what we witnesssed this evening in Commonwealth Stadium. What really amazes me is that we were able to go through w/ the victory ceremony. I figured that every nation that had anybody in thefile would have filed a protest (and counter-protest) over and over, just becuase the photo reading was so crucial. In 30+ years of covering world-class track, I've never (andi mean NEVER) seen a blanket finish to touch this one. In any event. As a fan, it doesn't get any better than this. I'm not suggesting in any way that the photo was read incorrectly (despite Seiko's abysmal performance at the meet so far). But it was so close that any team manager who didn't demand a closer look was severely remiss in his/her duty. gh ps--for anyone who has enjoyned a FinishLynx performance by Roger Jennings and crew (from FlashResults) in the U.S., the setup here sucks bigtime. As in, welcome to the 1980s.
RE: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
The SEIKO photo finish of the men's 200 is at: http://www.iaaf.org/WCH01/Images/PhotoFinish/M_200__f_1.jpg It appears that there are just seven green vertical timing lines, which means the third from the right is actually a third-fourth place double-line with the Crawford-Collins lane 1-2 tie called correctly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 5:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ?? In a message dated 8/9/01 15:32:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What we have left in these games are a group of sprinters who 18 months ago would have had to fight for good lane draws in the semis .. As one who for many years placed raw numbers ahead of reality, I'm somewhat hypocriical in criticizing Conway here, but... as somebody who saw the race in person i've got to say that I may never have seen a greater 200. It blows MJ's 19.32 out of the water, for instance. The real name of the game in the sport is COMPETITION, and i (and i suspect none of you) have ever seen a half-lapper to match what we witnesssed this evening in Commonwealth Stadium. What really amazes me is that we were able to go through w/ the victory ceremony. I figured that every nation that had anybody in thefile would have filed a protest (and counter-protest) over and over, just becuase the photo reading was so crucial. In 30+ years of covering world-class track, I've never (andi mean NEVER) seen a blanket finish to touch this one. In any event. As a fan, it doesn't get any better than this. I'm not suggesting in any way that the photo was read incorrectly (despite Seiko's abysmal performance at the meet so far). But it was so close that any team manager who didn't demand a closer look was severely remiss in his/her duty. gh ps--for anyone who has enjoyned a FinishLynx performance by Roger Jennings and crew (from FlashResults) in the U.S., the setup here sucks bigtime. As in, welcome to the 1980s.
Re: t-and-f: 200 photofinish
In a message dated 8/9/01 10:51:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess MJ will have eat his hat. He said, I think, that Kenderis would never win another Champs 200. After the race, Michael said on air, I guess I'll have to give him more credit (or words to that effect). Walt Murphy
Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 30+ years of covering world-class track, I've never (andi mean NEVER) seen a blanket finish to touch this one. For anyone who hasn't seen it, a small version of the photo is available on the IAAF site: http://www.iaaf.org/WCH01/Results/data/M/200/Rf.html Pretty impressive, although I'd be zooming in a few times would show pretty clear gaps between the runners. Dan = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Free Contests... @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lifetime forwarding address) / / (503)370-9969 phone/fax __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
RE: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
As one who for many years placed raw numbers ahead of reality, I'm somewhat hypocriical in criticizing Conway here, but... as somebody who saw the race in person i've got to say that I may never have seen a greater 200. It blows MJ's 19.32 out of the water, for instance. blows MJ's 19.32 out of the water That's saying a lot. I'm still feeling the electricity after that 19.32. I'm calling it the second-best 200 race ever run (both Kederis as an individual and the field as a whole), and the third best race ever -- nothing comes close to the Montreal 5000. Wonder if Entine could get past skin color and see what the rest of saw -- two legs, lungs, a focused mind, all driven by a huge competitive heart. malmo
Re: t-and-f: 200 photofinish
I guess MJ will have eat his hat. He said, I think, that Kenderis would never win another Champs 200. He also admitted that he was wrong about that - something a boatload of announcers should try. Steve S.
Re: t-and-f: The End of the British ...
I'm wondering if the British genes are just not as good currently as they were in the Coe/Ovett era. Let's face it - if the British had produced another generation of Coe's and Ovett's including a natural progression of improvement they would be running right with the best the world has to offer right now. The British just went backwards like most countries that formerly were powers at the middle distances 20 years ago. Or is there some sort of East African/North African or whatever argument can be crowbarred into a set of statistics which clues us in that Coe and Ovett have genes originating in some other world? Steve S.
Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
In a message dated 8/10/01 07:07:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pretty impressive, although I'd be zooming in a few times would show pretty clear gaps between the runners. one would think so, but i can assure you that in the stadium they showed the finish from the front, from overhead, from high on the side, and from track level at the side, and behind Kederis it pretty much looked like synchronized sprinting, even in slomo replays. You can imagine what it was like to the naked eye the first time through. It's also instructive to note that it was close to 5 minutes before the times were put on the board, and then 10-15 minutes later they put up another version with Collins and Crawford being amended to a tie. gh
t-and-f: the 11th place wall
hmm, seems to be a pattern here: M1500 - Jennings, 11th heat; Lassiter, 11th heat Msteeple - Chorny, 11th semi; Famigletti, 11th semi; Broe, 11th final W5000 - Dryer, 11th semi W10,000 - Drossin, 11th okay, Runyan did finish 9th in her 5000 semi, but Goucher and McMullen beware Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com
Re: t-and-f: 200 photofinish
In a message dated 8/10/01 10:36:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He also admitted that he was wrong about that You have to realize that it's the ATHLETES who are wrong, NEVER the on-air talent. They can't help it if people finish in the wrong places Jim Gerweck Running Times
Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
Actually Garry I agree with you .. And I agree with me too ... I guess two Hills must make a right !!! The race last night was one for the ages .. One of the most exciting competitive races in the history of the sport .. And actually more exciting than MJs WR if only because of how competitive and close the race was ... I must also say that Kederis has proven to be a true champion who is able to rise to the occasion and win when he has had to .. Having said that, I still stick by original statement (which was made BEFORE then 200 final) with one slight alteration - that with the exception of Kederis we were left with a group of sprinters who 18 months ago would have been fighting for good lane draws in the semis !! What we got to see last night was them fight it out in the final for medal positions .. None of the 20.20 - 20.25 group are anywhere near the class of sprinters as the group I named (Greene, Johnson, Bolden, Fredericks, et al) .. They all proved to be warriors on their level however and provided a competition and show for the ages ... The only thing that was missing was that type of competition taking place below the 20.00 plane ... Would be nice to see Kederis against what should be his true peers .. And a race between he and Greene (both healthy and ready) would I am sure prove to be a classic battle ... Garry Hill wrote: In a message dated 8/9/01 15:32:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What we have left in these games are a group of sprinters who 18 months ago would have had to fight for good lane draws in the semis .. As one who for many years placed raw numbers ahead of reality, I'm somewhat hypocriical in criticizing Conway here, but... as somebody who saw the race in person i've got to say that I may never have seen a greater 200. It blows MJ's 19.32 out of the water, for instance. The real name of the game in the sport is COMPETITION, and i (and i suspect none of you) have ever seen a half-lapper to match what we witnesssed this evening in Commonwealth Stadium. What really amazes me is that we were able to go through w/ the victory ceremony. I figured that every nation that had anybody in thefile would have filed a protest (and counter-protest) over and over, just becuase the photo reading was so crucial. In 30+ years of covering world-class track, I've never (andi mean NEVER) seen a blanket finish to touch this one. In any event. As a fan, it doesn't get any better than this. I'm not suggesting in any way that the photo was read incorrectly (despite Seiko's abysmal performance at the meet so far). But it was so close that any team manager who didn't demand a closer look was severely remiss in his/her duty. gh ps--for anyone who has enjoyned a FinishLynx performance by Roger Jennings and crew (from FlashResults) in the U.S., the setup here sucks bigtime. As in, welcome to the 1980s.
t-and-f: Relay Time
Relays start tomorrow, yet there are no start lists up yet .. Anyone know why .. Also there has been no word yet on the make up of any of the US squads .. Does that mean they will all be getting together tomorrow before the start of each race to draw straws ?? Given our dismal overall performance at these championships would be nice to get something right aside from the men's 100 and women's pole vault .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
Although I would love it if my fellow Greek were to challenge a healthy Mo, do you really think that would be the case? As Kederis dominated this field, you have to think Greene would dominate him. I'm sure a healthy Greene could run 19.6ish. Anyway... maybe we'll see it in Paris. How old is Kederis? Mike From: Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ?? Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:12:35 -0700 Actually Garry I agree with you .. And I agree with me too ... I guess two Hills must make a right !!! The race last night was one for the ages .. One of the most exciting competitive races in the history of the sport .. And actually more exciting than MJs WR if only because of how competitive and close the race was ... I must also say that Kederis has proven to be a true champion who is able to rise to the occasion and win when he has had to .. Having said that, I still stick by original statement (which was made BEFORE then 200 final) with one slight alteration - that with the exception of Kederis we were left with a group of sprinters who 18 months ago would have been fighting for good lane draws in the semis !! What we got to see last night was them fight it out in the final for medal positions .. None of the 20.20 - 20.25 group are anywhere near the class of sprinters as the group I named (Greene, Johnson, Bolden, Fredericks, et al) .. They all proved to be warriors on their level however and provided a competition and show for the ages ... The only thing that was missing was that type of competition taking place below the 20.00 plane ... Would be nice to see Kederis against what should be his true peers .. And a race between he and Greene (both healthy and ready) would I am sure prove to be a classic battle ... Garry Hill wrote: In a message dated 8/9/01 15:32:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What we have left in these games are a group of sprinters who 18 months ago would have had to fight for good lane draws in the semis .. As one who for many years placed raw numbers ahead of reality, I'm somewhat hypocriical in criticizing Conway here, but... as somebody who saw the race in person i've got to say that I may never have seen a greater 200. It blows MJ's 19.32 out of the water, for instance. The real name of the game in the sport is COMPETITION, and i (and i suspect none of you) have ever seen a half-lapper to match what we witnesssed this evening in Commonwealth Stadium. What really amazes me is that we were able to go through w/ the victory ceremony. I figured that every nation that had anybody in thefile would have filed a protest (and counter-protest) over and over, just becuase the photo reading was so crucial. In 30+ years of covering world-class track, I've never (andi mean NEVER) seen a blanket finish to touch this one. In any event. As a fan, it doesn't get any better than this. I'm not suggesting in any way that the photo was read incorrectly (despite Seiko's abysmal performance at the meet so far). But it was so close that any team manager who didn't demand a closer look was severely remiss in his/her duty. gh ps--for anyone who has enjoyned a FinishLynx performance by Roger Jennings and crew (from FlashResults) in the U.S., the setup here sucks bigtime. As in, welcome to the 1980s. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
t-and-f: Jennings Interview on the deuce
in case you missed on of the alltime track interviews with Gabe Jennings after he finished last in his 1500 heat last night here is the jist of it: Like, wow, dude I had a vision man. I can see me beating those guys (El G was in his heat) man. I had a vision (using both hands to point to his head) I know I can run with them. Like I was like scared in Sidney but no more man. Like if I get some training in these legs man, like I been studing for a mean math final and like running 20 miles a week and man I had a vision and me and others, like that high school kid going to Michigan, man, like the Americans, were going to beat these guys, man, I had a vision. peace brother. go getum Gabe. phil weishaar
Re: t-and-f: Jabe's exact quote...
If he knew he was out of shape, why didn't he pass it over to Berryhill who has been racing fairly well this summer? Instead he goes there unprepared and embarasses us both on and off the track. No slight to good ol Jabe... but he himself admitted he was not in shape. If I was Brian, I would be livid. USATF should play more a role in the athlete's lives and training and should never have let Jabe go if he was not ready to compete. Coachy Vinny gets a big thumbs down as well. M You saw me get everything out of myself that I had out there. If you knew my training, you'd laugh. It's been under 20 miles a week. But it's a thrill to compete on this big stage. This was so much more encouraging than the Olympics. I was not scared. I looked El Guerrouj in the eyes, and I was not scared. I own him. I own all these guys. Give me two years and I'll be wiping them all up off the track. I have a vision of winning at Athens in three years, and the vision starts with conquering all my fears. It's all about fear. I've been fighting that at Stanford. I got into academic trouble this year. I've been fighting fears about my SAT scores and being at Stanford and being a math major. I mean, I can't count to 10...well, maybe I can, but square root of two, what do I know? I've been studying my ass off, but I need more help with my classes than I do with my races. I've got two finals when I get back from here. I haven't been getting any sleep. - Jabe _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running
My previous remarks stands and is correct. Same routine...Entine posts dribble, we respond, we respond some more, we get interested, we buy Entine's book, Entine's pockets get fatter. As Malmo said, same ol shite. Alan http://www.geocities.com/runningart2004 From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jon Entine' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Track and Field List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:43:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [128.223.142.13] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD3C32EF00514004379D80DF8E0D93E40; Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:43:46 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost)by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f79JfjB14199for t-and-f-outgoing; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clavin.bestweb.net (clavin.bestweb.net [209.94.100.144])by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f79Jff014189for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george (dialin-559-tnt.nyc.bestweb.net [216.179.3.51])by clavin.bestweb.net (Postfix) with ESMTPid 1C3F262D4D; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:41:28 -0400 (EDT) From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:47:53 -0700 Message-ID: 01c1210b$80cf2320$3303b3d8@george X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462. X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by darkwing.uoregon.edu id f79Jfi014193 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk I guessed that because the sprints aren't complying with Entine's bigoted views he'd focus on the 1500. Nothing new, the same tired, old sh!t. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jon Entine Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:46 PM To: Track and Field List Subject: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running Thought this would provoke the usual outrage. If anyone wants to print this unpublished article, or reproduce it on a website, please send me a note. I will be most obliging. ** 9 August 2001 The End of the British Empire: Why a Brit (Black or White) Will Never Again Hold a Distance Running Record By Jon Entine When the gun goes off for the men¹s 1500 metre final at Sunday¹s World Championships in Edmonton, it might just as well signal the end of an era. The age of great British middle distance runners is gone forever. Once the world¹s dominant power, with a bloodline of Sebastian Coe, Steve Ovett, Steve Cram, and Peter Elliott that regularly left competitors in the dust, the British hopefuls are today mere also-rans in a field dominated by North and East Africans. The collapse of the once mighty British Empire is actually part of a more sweeping trend. Where Brits, Aussies and others of Northern European stock used to dominate distance running, former greats such as Steve Cram and Sebastian Coe now indulge in British bashing. ³So where is the problem?² wrote Coe last week in the Telegraph. . ³The answer, I rather fancy, as Shakespeare said, lies not in the stars but in our hands¹ run faster.² Coe went on to exhort aspiring Brits to train with the ³brutal² commitment of days gone by ³the mental and physical intensity of what was commonplace 20 years ago,² he added modestly. Here¹s a wake-up call: you might as well look to the stars, because distance runners from Britain, northern Europe or North America, white or black, will never reclaim the mantle as world's best. And cultural factors have little do with this changing phenomenon. The world rankings, which combine race results from the 800 metres to the marathon, paint a stark picture. Africans, eight from Kenya, hold the top 10 places. Among the women, the top 3 and 7-out-of-10 are Kenyan. However, because of social taboos against women runners in Africa, non-Africans remain somewhat more competitive. If you ask self-proclaimed experts what¹s behind this extraordinary phenomenon, be prepared for the usual cliché: the current crop of British athletes is too soft. If they just tried harder, they¹d challenge for gold. Certainly, Coe¹s 1981 800-metre run in Stockholm ranks as one of the great all-time performances. But a look at the all time list of 800 metre runs makes it clear that Britain¹s reign as middle distance champion (and prior periods of domination by the Finns and other Northern Europeans) speaks mostly to the fact that for the most part Africans didn¹t compete. While nationalistic chest pounding may help deal with frustration of fading glory, it can¹t change the hard reality that Britain¹s middle distance running glory is gone for good, whatever training methods might be adopted. Now that the playing field is more levelrunning is a
Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
Phil wrote: BTW When was the last lane 1 medal winner in 200? I believe Larry Black in '72 .. He got the silver in 20.19 behind Borzov's 20.00 Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: Jabe's exact quote...
He started as a music major who had never sang or played any musical instruments. Now he has switched to math, which seems an odd choice to the outside observer (It's difficult, objective and unforgiving). He seems like someone who should NOT be a math major, but I have to say, that is NOT my call. From his quote about Stanford and SAT scores (I've been fighting fears about my SAT scores and being at Stanford and being a math major.), it sounds like he feels like the dunce among geniuses. It also looks like Gabe is taking summer classes to catch up on required number of completed credits. It also sounds like he is having trouble with his choice of major. Considering that he had a spotty Spring, indeed why didn't he give his spot to Berryhill? if he has been staying up late, training lightly, etc. He ought to have concentrated on summer classes, getting in shape for XC (he has eligibility, no?), and given his WC spot to Berryhill, or anyone else fit to take it. And you are right ... if he didn't want to give it to an alternate, his coach should have encouraged him to. /Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: Michael Contopoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 2:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Jabe's exact quote... If he knew he was out of shape, why didn't he pass it over to Berryhill who has been racing fairly well this summer? Instead he goes there unprepared and embarasses us both on and off the track. No slight to good ol Jabe... but he himself admitted he was not in shape. If I was Brian, I would be livid. USATF should play more a role in the athlete's lives and training and should never have let Jabe go if he was not ready to compete. Coachy Vinny gets a big thumbs down as well. M You saw me get everything out of myself that I had out there. If you knew my training, you'd laugh. It's been under 20 miles a week. But it's a thrill to compete on this big stage. This was so much more encouraging than the Olympics. I was not scared. I looked El Guerrouj in the eyes, and I was not scared. I own him. I own all these guys. Give me two years and I'll be wiping them all up off the track. I have a vision of winning at Athens in three years, and the vision starts with conquering all my fears. It's all about fear. I've been fighting that at Stanford. I got into academic trouble this year. I've been fighting fears about my SAT scores and being at Stanford and being a math major. I mean, I can't count to 10...well, maybe I can, but square root of two, what do I know? I've been studying my ass off, but I need more help with my classes than I do with my races. I've got two finals when I get back from here. I haven't been getting any sleep. - Jabe _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
In a message dated 8/10/01 3:05:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How are lanes assigned for the 200 or 400 running 3 semi heats. I heard the winner got a middle lane but which middle lanes just 3 of them? Does the next fastest get into the pool of 4 middle lanes? Traditionally, the three semi winners plus the fastest 2nd-placer draw for lanes 3-4-5-6. Walt Murphy
RE: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
Having said that, I still stick by original statement (which was made BEFORE then 200 final) with one slight alteration - that with the exception of Kederis we were left with a group of sprinters who 18 months ago would have been fighting for good lane draws in the semis !! In 18 months you'll be saying the same thing...18 months after that, the same. Is there a pattern here? malmo
Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
Mike wrote: Although I would love it if my fellow Greek were to challenge a healthy Mo, do you really think that would be the case? As Kederis dominated this field, you have to think Greene would dominate him. I'm sure a healthy Greene could run 19.6ish. Anyway... maybe we'll see it in Paris. How old is Kederis? I believe that Greene would also win .. And I agree that healthy I think he could run 19.6 maybe 5 if the competition were right .. But I like Kederis' heart and think he would put up a good fight !!! Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??
sprinting, even in slomo replays. You can imagine what it was like to the naked eye the first time through. gh I saw it on TV without knowing what to expect and felt like the 2-3 places were going to come from the lanes 1-2-3 but not who. Kinda like the OL Trials womens 100HH finals several moons ago where top 4 finished in a blanket. Do you suppose Kim Collins feels a little better medaling at WC 200 after NCAA disaster? BTW When was the last lane 1 medal winner in 200? And another question. How are lanes assigned for the 200 or 400 running 3 semi heats. I heard the winner got a middle lane but which middle lanes just 3 of them? Does the next fastest get into the pool of 4 middle lanes? phil weishaar
