>No. What I don't agree with is that lanes=2 is "missing data" or an
>"interim solution". It is simply another way of tagging.
Isn't it generally agreed that different ways of tagging must use
different keys? Using one key in different ways in places where
there can be, or will be a conflict is
Toby Murray schrieb:
My take on lanes is that it should be the number of continuous lanes
along a road. This impacts traffic flow and road capacity which allows
routers to make more informed decisions. Turning lanes don't increase
overall road capacity.
That's always the problem in OSM:
Is it m
Toby Murray wrote:
>My take on lanes is that it should be the number of continuous lanes
>along a road. This impacts traffic flow and road capacity which allows
>routers to make more informed decisions. Turning lanes don't increase
>overall road capacity.
The lanes tag is not about the capacity p
2011/9/18 Kytömaa Lauri :
>
>>lanes like bus-lanes or cycle-lanes should IMHO be tagged with
>
> Bus lanes should be counted in the lanes for global consistency:
> some countries have bus lanes that are open to all outside rush
> hours, and/or motorists are allowed to use them for turning right
> e
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 9/18/2011 2:35 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Nathan Edgars II
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you show me an example of a road that is mapped like this, with the
>>> way
>>> jumping left and right by 90 degrees each time
On 9/18/2011 2:35 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Can you show me an example of a road that is mapped like this, with the way
jumping left and right by 90 degrees each time a lane is added or dropped?
I could, but I'd rather not.
Thanks for teachi
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> Can you show me an example of a road that is mapped like this, with the way
> jumping left and right by 90 degrees each time a lane is added or dropped?
I could, but I'd rather not.
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On 9/18/2011 2:25 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 9/18/2011 2:15 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Nathan Edgars II
wrote:
And if lanes suddenly jumps from 2 to 3, then what?
Then you split the way.
That doesn't answer t
On 9/18/2011 2:19 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
My take on lanes is that it should be the number of continuous lanes
along a road. This impacts traffic flow and road capacity which allows
routers to make more informed decisions. Turning lanes don't increase
overall road capacity. Rather, they prevent it
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 9/18/2011 2:15 PM, Anthony wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Nathan Edgars II
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And if lanes suddenly jumps from 2 to 3, then what?
>>
>> Then you split the way.
>
> That doesn't answer the question. Where d
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Anthony wrote:
> I'm fine with that if we can be consistent. But that means
> http://g.co/maps/4j2uh is tagged as lanes=0, lanes:turning:left=2,
> lanes:turning:right=2.
Otherwise, lanes=4, lanes:turning:left=2, lanes:turning:right=2 is ambiguous.
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On 9/18/2011 2:15 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
And if lanes suddenly jumps from 2 to 3, then what?
Then you split the way.
That doesn't answer the question. Where do you put the node connecting
the two ways? At the center of the 2 lane part or
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
> My take on lanes is that it should be the number of continuous lanes
> along a road. This impacts traffic flow and road capacity which allows
> routers to make more informed decisions. Turning lanes don't increase
> overall road capacity. Rathe
My take on lanes is that it should be the number of continuous lanes
along a road. This impacts traffic flow and road capacity which allows
routers to make more informed decisions. Turning lanes don't increase
overall road capacity. Rather, they prevent it from dropping at busy
intersections. As su
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> And if lanes suddenly jumps from 2 to 3, then what?
Then you split the way.
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On 9/18/2011 2:07 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 9/18/2011 2:00 PM, Anthony wrote:
The way is supposed to follow the angled dashed lines.
I thought the way was "supposed" to be in the center between the edge lines.
Which is it?
I never mentio
Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Anthony wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II
> wrote:
> >> It's simple on a motorway. But, for a simple example on a surface
> road, how
> >> do you know where the straight lanes go if there are 3 lanes after
> an
> >> in
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 9/18/2011 2:00 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> The way is supposed to follow the angled dashed lines.
>
> I thought the way was "supposed" to be in the center between the edge lines.
> Which is it?
I never mentioned edge lines. There generally
On 9/18/2011 2:00 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 9/18/2011 1:47 PM, Anthony wrote:
Ways aren't mapped at the center? Where are they mapped?
[snip]
The way is supposed to follow the angled dashed lines.
I thought the way was "supposed" to be
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 9/18/2011 1:47 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> Ways aren't mapped at the center? Where are they mapped?
>
> Somewhere between the two edge lines. Always using the exact center would
> require zigzagging whenever lanes are created or destroyed.
On 9/18/2011 1:47 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
This can be determined by the geometry of the ways, which are mapped
at the center.
No they're not.
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 9/18/2011 1:38 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> This can be determined by the geometry of the ways, which are mapped
>> at the center.
>
> No they're not.
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 9/18/2011 1:38 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> Nevermind. Yes you can. If t
On 9/18/2011 1:39 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 9/18/2011 1:38 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II
wrote:
It's simple on a motorway. But, for a simple example on a surface
road, how
do you know where the straight
On 9/18/2011 1:38 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
It's simple on a motorway. But, for a simple example on a surface road, how
do you know where the straight lanes go if there are 3 lanes after an
inter
On 9/18/2011 1:34 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 9/18/2011 1:18 PM, Anthony wrote:
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/reviews/tomtom-v8/v8_lane_assist_northwest2_speed_alert.jpg
Do you think Garmin is mapping every lane as a separate way here? I
don
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> It's simple on a motorway. But, for a simple example on a surface road, how
>> do you know where the straight lanes go if there are 3 lanes after an
>> intersection but 2 before?
>
> Depe
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 9/18/2011 1:18 PM, Anthony wrote:
>> http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/reviews/tomtom-v8/v8_lane_assist_northwest2_speed_alert.jpg
>>
>> Do you think Garmin is mapping every lane as a separate way here? I
>> don't think they are, or that t
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 9/18/2011 1:12 PM, Anthony wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Nathan Edgars II
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would use lanes=2 there, since that's how many through lanes there are
>>> before the turn lanes begin.
>>
>> And you think
On 9/18/2011 1:18 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Anthony wrote:
Yes, mapping every lane as a separate way would be even better, but
let's go one step at a time.
Actually, I take back that last sentence:
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/reviews/tomtom-v8/v8_lane_assist_northw
On 9/18/2011 1:12 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
I would use lanes=2 there, since that's how many through lanes there are
before the turn lanes begin.
And you think any other number of lanes would be *wrong*?
No. What I don't agree with is that
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> On 9/18/2011 12:54 PM, Anthony wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Dave F. wrote:
On 18/09/2011 16:20, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>
> Here's an example of wh
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 9/18/2011 12:54 PM, Anthony wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Dave F. wrote:
>>>
>>> On 18/09/2011 16:20, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Here's an example of what tagging every lane would lead to:
http://wiki.open
On 9/18/2011 12:54 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Dave F. wrote:
On 18/09/2011 16:20, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Here's an example of what tagging every lane would lead to:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Silly_lane_count.jpg
I see nothing intrinsically wrong with
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Dave F. wrote:
> On 18/09/2011 16:20, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> Here's an example of what tagging every lane would lead to:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Silly_lane_count.jpg
>
> I see nothing intrinsically wrong with that. Lots of splitting ways &
>
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Dave F. wrote:
> On 18/09/2011 14:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>
>> 2011/9/18 Erik Johansson:
>>>
>>> Btw the current wiki page seems to say that you should count cycle
>>> lanes in the lanes tag, something I don't really agree with.
>>
>> +1, maybe we should s
On 18/09/2011 16:20, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 9/18/2011 9:12 AM, Erik Johansson wrote:
The current lanes tag works pretty well for me as a pedestrian, it
tells me how many lanes there is on a road.
This could be more usefully placed in the crossing node. Outside a
crosswalk, it's much more us
On 18/09/2011 14:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/9/18 Erik Johansson:
Btw the current wiki page seems to say that you should count cycle
lanes in the lanes tag, something I don't really agree with.
+1, maybe we should specify that lanes is about car-lanes (restricted
lanes like bus-lanes o
On 9/18/2011 9:12 AM, Erik Johansson wrote:
The current lanes tag works pretty well for me as a pedestrian, it
tells me how many lanes there is on a road.
This could be more usefully placed in the crossing node. Outside a
crosswalk, it's much more useful to know if there's a shelter (raised
med
>lanes like bus-lanes or cycle-lanes should IMHO be tagged with
Bus lanes should be counted in the lanes for global consistency:
some countries have bus lanes that are open to all outside rush
hours, and/or motorists are allowed to use them for turning right
even when they're 24/7.
--
Alv
2011/9/18 Erik Johansson :
> Btw the current wiki page seems to say that you should count cycle
> lanes in the lanes tag, something I don't really agree with.
+1, maybe we should specify that lanes is about car-lanes (restricted
lanes like bus-lanes or cycle-lanes should IMHO be tagged with
separ
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On 9/18/2011 8:33 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>
>> +1, lanes from the very beginning were to indicate all lanes of the
>> road. Opposed to this was the common practice, not to split an highway
>> because of a short lane for turns (othe
On 9/18/2011 8:33 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
+1, lanes from the very beginning were to indicate all lanes of the
road. Opposed to this was the common practice, not to split an highway
because of a short lane for turns (otherwise we would for example have
had to split a motorway at every exit
2011/9/18 Erik Johansson :
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> Currently user Alv is trying to redefine the lanes tag to say that it must
>> include all turn lanes:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:lanes&action=history
>
> I've had this discussion be
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> Currently user Alv is trying to redefine the lanes tag to say that it must
> include all turn lanes:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:lanes&action=history
I've had this discussion before 2007 and I've always said and
Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> Currently user Alv is trying to redefine the lanes tag to say that it
> must include all turn lanes:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:lanes&action=history
Since 2008, the lane tag has been defined as the _physical_ number of
lanes. In other words, it
Currently user Alv is trying to redefine the lanes tag to say that it
must include all turn lanes:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:lanes&action=history
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