Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Chris Hill wrote: > I do not agree with the whole basis of this thread. > > There are no such things as approved tags, tagging is open and people are > free to use *any* tags they like. ... > Advertise your ideas and encourage acceptance. Show how well it works any

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread John F. Eldredge
Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Before we vote, shouldn't we try to clean up the proposal? E.g. > there > > is this sentence: "Hint: If the waterway starts as a stream and > > becomes larger, then use the tag of the largest waterway (e.g.

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Josh Doe
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Chris Hill wrote: > Advertise your ideas and encourage acceptance. Show how well it works any > why it is better but don't use a phoney voting process ignored by the vast > majority as a mandate for action. Voting is a valuable process. Discussions, while valuabl

Re: [Tagging] man_made

2012-02-19 Thread Martijn van Exel
Amanda, This would be the right place to discuss tagging-related topics like the one you're raising. Let me start by saying that it is not straightforward at all to just change an established convention: not only would we need to change every occurence of this tag in the database, we'd also need

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Chris Hill
On 19/02/12 11:56, Werner Hoch wrote: Am Sonntag, den 19.02.2012, 22:16 +1100 schrieb Steve Bennett: The proposal looks pretty sensible to me. I just wish there was a meaningful process we could follow. Probably what we really want to do is deprecate any alternative tagging schemes, and direct p

Re: [Tagging] man_made

2012-02-19 Thread Tyler Gunn
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Amanda wrote: > hello! > new here. don't know if it's the right place to address this issue, sorry if > i'm mistaken.. > my suggestion is: MAN MADE should be called HUMAN MADE I think in this context, the reference to MAN is referring to the human individual as re

Re: [Tagging] man_made

2012-02-19 Thread LM_1
The place is right, but: Why? What good would that change bring? Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2012/2/19 Amanda : > hello! > > new here. don't know if it's the right place to address this issue, sorry if > i'm mistaken.. > > my suggestion is: MAN MADE should be called HUMAN MADE > > _

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 19 Feb 2012, at 14:34, Steve Bennett wrote: > > waterway=riverbank is an alternative way of mapping a waterway=river, > and can coexist with it. +1, they are actually an additional way of tagging the extent. I still remain of the opinion that a river starts at its spring, independent o

[Tagging] man_made

2012-02-19 Thread Amanda
hello! new here. don't know if it's the right place to address this issue, sorry if i'm mistaken.. my suggestion is: MAN MADE should be called HUMAN MADE ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The wiki says: "For narrow rivers which will be rendered as a line. > For larger rivers see waterway=riverbank. For really small rivers and > streams, see waterway=stream."  This is ambiguous (reads as if > waterway=river isn't appropr

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Am Sonntag, den 19.02.2012, 22:16 +1100 schrieb Steve Bennett: > The proposal looks pretty sensible to me. I just wish there was a > meaningful process we could follow. Probably what we really want to do > is deprecate any alternative tagging schemes, and direct people to > this one. As soon as th

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Am Sonntag, den 19.02.2012, 12:13 +0100 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > Before we vote, shouldn't we try to clean up the proposal? E.g. there > is this sentence: "Hint: If the waterway starts as a stream and > becomes larger, then use the tag of the largest waterway (e.g. > river)." > Well, almost a

Re: [Tagging] Converting relation type "relatedStreet" to "assiciatedStreet"

2012-02-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Am Sonntag, den 19.02.2012, 12:12 +0100 schrieb David Paleino: > On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:56:39 +0100, Werner Hoch wrote: > > Well, one relation type would be perfect. But for now I think we should > > try to reduce the different types one by one. > > Then I propose merging relatedStreet directly to

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. Februar 2012 12:16 schrieb Steve Bennett : > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> Well, almost all rivers start small and become bigger ;-), but despite >> being small, don't they already start as rivers at their spring? > > No, because the OSM definition of 'ri

Re: [Tagging] Converting relation type "relatedStreet" to "assiciatedStreet"

2012-02-19 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:07:12 +0100, David Paleino wrote: > (we should also include type=collection + collection=street and type=route + > route=street -- rationale for the latter is that named routes should be > route=road) Oh, and I see also type=address... meh :) Seems like we'll need some tim

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Before we vote, shouldn't we try to clean up the proposal? E.g. there > is this sentence: "Hint: If the waterway starts as a stream and > becomes larger, then use the tag of the largest waterway (e.g. > river)." > Well, almost all rive

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. Februar 2012 10:47 schrieb Werner Hoch : > Hi all, > > the relation type=waterway proposal was written long times ago but never > formally approved: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Waterway > > The relation is widely used as you can see in statistics: > http://wiki.op

Re: [Tagging] Converting relation type "relatedStreet" to "assiciatedStreet"

2012-02-19 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:56:39 +0100, Werner Hoch wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 19.02.2012, 11:07 +0100 schrieb David Paleino: > > On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 10:56:19 +0100, Werner Hoch wrote: > > > the relation type page: > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Types_of_relation > > > > > > lists the related

Re: [Tagging] Converting relation type "relatedStreet" to "assiciatedStreet"

2012-02-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Am Sonntag, den 19.02.2012, 11:07 +0100 schrieb David Paleino: > On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 10:56:19 +0100, Werner Hoch wrote: > > the relation type page: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Types_of_relation > > > > lists the relatedStreet relation as an similar type of associatedStreet. > > > > Are

Re: [Tagging] Converting relation type "relatedStreet" to "assiciatedStreet"

2012-02-19 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 10:56:19 +0100, Werner Hoch wrote: > Hi there, Hello, > the relation type page: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Types_of_relation > > lists the relatedStreet relation as an similar type of associatedStreet. > > Are there any objection to convert and cleanup the related

[Tagging] Converting relation type "relatedStreet" to "assiciatedStreet"

2012-02-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi there, the relation type page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Types_of_relation lists the relatedStreet relation as an similar type of associatedStreet. Are there any objection to convert and cleanup the relatedStreets into associatedStreet relations? Often there could be merge several r

[Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi all, the relation type=waterway proposal was written long times ago but never formally approved: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Waterway The relation is widely used as you can see in statistics: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Waterway#Tools It wou