Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Andrew Errington
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:31:40 John Sturdy wrote: snip i.e. London may be London to an English person and Londres to a French person, but Stourport-on-Severn is Stourport-on-Severn to both of them (just picking a smallish town randomly; no potential slur intended). And a lot of names in OSM are

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-02 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Peter Wendorff wrote: There are two big differences between CSS and the proposed relation stuff. 1) The inventors of CSS provided a working implementation for core CSS features 2) For a considerably long time css was used only very sparse and most of the time with a html4 styling fallback.

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Johan Jönsson wrote: Sorry if I am getting to theoretical on the subject of how to write tags. I was wondering about the reason for this tag, *is it to explain the languages in the tag name: (if, like in your bruxelles-brussel example, is two names I guess that the order is important)

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-02 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 02.08.2012 11:42, schrieb Petr Morávek [Xificurk]: Peter Wendorff wrote: There are two big differences between CSS and the proposed relation stuff. 1) The inventors of CSS provided a working implementation for core CSS features 2) For a considerably long time css was used only very sparse

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/01/12 19:41, Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: Tools must serve mappers. Everything in OSM must be geared towards making contribution easy for mappers. Anything else is secondary; consumers are totally unimportant. I think, this is the point on which we

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread MilošKomarčević
Johan Jönsson johan.j@... writes: *It could also be meant to explain something that might not exist on wikipedia, in what languages and scripts the road signs usually are on the place. In the greece capital Athens there are usually the name in greek letters first and then in roman letters

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread MilošKomarčević
Petr Morávek [Xificurk] xificurk@... writes: Johan Jönsson wrote: *It could also be meant to explain something that might not exist on wikipedia, in what languages and scripts the road signs usually are on the place. In the greece capital Athens there are usually the name in greek

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 02.08.2012 12:56, MilošKomarčević wrote: name=* without any context of what language is recorded in it is one of the biggest fallacies of OSM i18n and needs to be addressed. You need to realize, though, that mappers in areas where only one language is commonly used will not want to put more

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Tobias Knerr wrote: On 02.08.2012 12:56, MilošKomarčević wrote: name=* without any context of what language is recorded in it is one of the biggest fallacies of OSM i18n and needs to be addressed. You need to realize, though, that mappers in areas where only one language is commonly used

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread MilošKomarčević
Tobias Knerr osm@... writes: On 02.08.2012 12:56, MilošKomarčević wrote: name=* without any context of what language is recorded in it is one of the biggest fallacies of OSM i18n and needs to be addressed. You need to realize, though, that mappers in areas where only one language is

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Tobias Knerr
Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: Tobias Knerr wrote: You need to realize, though, that mappers in areas where only one language is commonly used will not want to put more effort into mapping names than they do today. And rightly so, imo - from their perspective, it's just more work for little

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 11:42 +, MilošKomarčević wrote: Tobias Knerr osm@... writes: On 02.08.2012 12:56, MilošKomarčević wrote: name=* without any context of what language is recorded in it is one of the biggest fallacies of OSM i18n and needs to be addressed. You need to

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-02 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Hello Peter, you have raised interesting question, so I'll try to address at least some of the questions regarding editor support and describe it from my point of view (as user of Merkaartor). Peter Wendorff wrote: The point is to keep the correct, even if deprecated work of local mappers

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread LM_1
Let's not forget that this debate was started by naming disputes in Ukraine. I would vote for option 2 myself, but if that would be found impossible, I could agree with Tobias. LM 2012/8/2 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: Tobias Knerr wrote: You need to

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Miloš Komarčević
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: In Wales, some roads are named in Welsh, some English. I see no problem in that, if there is one name then that should remain the name. A bot really can't be applied here, it first of all has to decide which language a

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 02.08.2012 13:42, schrieb MilošKomarčević: Tobias Knerr osm@... writes: On 02.08.2012 12:56, MilošKomarčević wrote: name=* without any context of what language is recorded in it is one of the biggest fallacies of OSM i18n and needs to be addressed. You need to realize, though, that mappers

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Miloš Komarčević
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: I don't think a bot would help, but a hint in editors etc. might. If editing software encourages the user to specify at least one lang:* additional to name, e.g. by giving a select box to select the language, many

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread André Pirard
Option 1 best because of compatibility but also this. It's very difficult to have the renderer synthesize some names. In Belgium, the law states that the name *must* be displayed in all the official languages of the place. For Brussels' streets, if there are two spellings, the names are

[Tagging] Shark tagging

2012-08-02 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I took this photo of a building across the street. How do you propose I tag it? http://www.emacsen.net/shark-bldg.jpg :) - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Shark tagging

2012-08-02 Thread SomeoneElse
Serge Wroclawski wrote: How do you propose I tag it? Like this one? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/31374891 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Shark tagging

2012-08-02 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/8/2 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: I took this photo of a building across the street. How do you propose I tag it? http://www.emacsen.net/shark-bldg.jpg I would suggest shark=great_white or simply shark=yes if you are not sure about the exact species. Please also add layer=1 (or

Re: [Tagging] Shark tagging

2012-08-02 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/8/2 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com 2012/8/2 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: I took this photo of a building across the street. How do you propose I tag it? http://www.emacsen.net/shark-bldg.jpg I would suggest shark=great_white or simply shark=yes if you are not sure

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, just a general note on this: I don't see a problem of mandating name:xx even when only one language is used for added clarity, and have a bot fix up existing ones. Does break backwards compatibility though, so too late to fix at this point. I don't think a bot would help, but a hint

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.comwrote: In Korea we use ko_rm (not ko_ro), which is intended to mean Romanised Korean, i.e. Korean spelled phonetically using Roman characters. If there is an ISO (or similar) code for this, what is it? en_kr? Also,

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Miloš Komarčević
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 19:35:31 MilošKomarčević wrote: Johan Jönsson johan.j@... writes: *It could also be meant to explain something that might not exist on wikipedia, in what languages and scripts the road signs

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Miloš Komarčević
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Miloš Komarčević kmi...@gmail.com wrote: Also, what is the code for Hanja, which is essentially Chinese characters used in Korea? I couldn't find one, so I used zh (which is *actual* Chinese, which might be subtly different). This would be 'ko-Hani' (ISO 15

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-02 Thread Richard Mann
Bridge ref highway ref: bridge ref should have a specific tag, such as bridge:ref=whatever Two roads meet at roundabouts: roundabout has higher-ranking (ie lower) number, unless the higher-ranking road has a flyover or underpass. Or don't have a ref. None of the issues raised justify changing a

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Miloš Komarčević
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Miloš Komarčević kmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: In Korea we use ko_rm (not ko_ro), which is intended to mean Romanised Korean, i.e. Korean spelled phonetically using Roman characters. And,

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with ref tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-02 Thread LM_1
Even though the bridges were not the best example, I would not dismiss their importance. Maybe a better example is when two roads (numbers) run on the same asphalt. It is not uncommon in my country and probably possible elsewhere. There is support for this - that is JOSM + RelationToolbox plugin.

Re: [Tagging] Shark tagging

2012-08-02 Thread André Pirard
2012/8/2 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: I took this photo of a building across the street. How do you propose I tag it? http://www.emacsen.net/shark-bldg.jpg Tagging, tagging?  Like this, maybe? ;-)

Re: [Tagging] Shark tagging

2012-08-02 Thread Volker Schmidt
Certainly this is not the first shark in a house. The shark of the shark house at *2 New High Street, Headington, Oxford OX3 7AQ, UK *is some 25 years old and present on OSM as node 31374891. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Headington_Shark :-) Volker On 2 August 2012 22:48, André Pirard