Re: [Tagging] piste:type=nordic but without underlying track

2012-11-22 Thread Eric Sibert
Hi, I'm also using piste:type=nordic alone not only in field but also on track/road because a lot of things are different between piste and road. Physically, the piste is over the road but don't use his surface. Road is open in summer, piste in winter. Piste could be oneway and not the

Re: [Tagging] exit_to on motorway_junction

2012-11-22 Thread Martin Vonwald
From the taginfo map I wouldn't expect that we could find a global solution. I therefore would document both solutions (destination is already documented, preferable someone from the US has to properly document exit_to) and state in the articles about motorway_junction and exit_to that exit_to is

[Tagging] Clean-up the seamark landmark tags on the wiki (and perhaps later in the db)

2012-11-22 Thread Pieren
Hi all, By accident, I found the tag landmark=cemetery on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landmark%3Dcemetery Then discovered that 9 cemeteries are tagged with landuse=cemetery + landmark=cemetery. Some have even an additionnal seamark:type = landmark :

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gross vehicle weight rating

2012-11-22 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi, this is a minor follow-up proposal for Conditional Restrictions. As the discussion has shown, there are both traffic signs that restrict access based on the actual weight and traffic signs that restrict access based on the gross vehicle weight rating. Here are some examples (based on

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: expanded address tags for US

2012-11-22 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/11/21 David ``Smith'' vidthe...@gmail.com Also, the street name in addresses doesn't always match the name of the street. For example, there are houses on Old Walker Road which retain Walker Rd addresses. And the name Lilly Chapel Opossum Run Road is so long, the local post office

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gross vehicle weight rating

2012-11-22 Thread Colin Smale
I think you mean maximum gross vehicle weight, not just gross vehicle weight. Maximum GVW is documented on the registration documents. The GVW itself is the mass of the vehicle plus specified elements Hi, this is a minor follow-up proposal for Conditional Restrictions. As the discussion has

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Gross vehicle weight rating

2012-11-22 Thread Colin Smale
Sorry, please ignore this, it was a random thought I was preparing and I pressed the wrong button by accident. I think you mean maximum gross vehicle weight, not just gross vehicle weight. Maximum GVW is documented on the registration documents. The GVW itself is the mass of the vehicle plus

[Tagging] Border crossing with restrictions

2012-11-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
I have encountered a border crossing Slovenia-Croatia that is only open for local residents, but closed for other people ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/468001076/). From the explanations on this web site of the Slovenian government

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Zones 30 in Belgium

2012-11-22 Thread Ab_fab
André, Please note that for the case of Osmose [1] quality insurance tool, there is an Integration category (last category in the left menu) The intention is to provide markers for elements available from datasets published on open data portals. These markers are not elements already in OSM

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/20/12 3:59 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i think we need a separate emergency access category because there exist places where authorized vehicles, mostly emergency responders of one type or another, does anyone else who is not a troll have any comments? my engagement with anthony has i

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/22/12 8:32 AM, Richard Welty wrote: for u-turns that are currently frequently marked private or no, as a temporary expedient, and recommend in the section of the access page moving to no u-turn turn restrictions in the long term. now that i've thought about it another minute, we should

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/22/12 9:27 AM, Anthony wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access emergency http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:emergency=* (category: emergency motor vehicles; e.g., ambulance, fire truck, police car) The misleading wording on key:emergency was caused by

[Tagging] [VOTE] stop recommending the use of place_name=* for place=* on areas

2012-11-22 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Hi, No more inputs for a while, do you want to vote for such a basic proposal ? (Many would probably have just changed the wiki, but the way of tagging it concern is hot topic, and I prefere to gather some idea before just doing it) :

Re: [Tagging] [VOTE] stop recommending the use of place_name=* for place=* on areas

2012-11-22 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/11/22 sly (sylvain letuffe) li...@letuffe.org: (Many would probably have just changed the wiki, but the way of tagging it concern is hot topic, and I prefere to gather some idea before just doing it) : Thanks for that valuable attitude :-) ___

[Tagging] apologies to the list

2012-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
i did not realize that anthony is apparently restricted from posting to tagging, and so inflicted half of a conversation that shouldn't have appeared at all on the list members. sorry about that, richard ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] agglomération

2012-11-22 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/11/21 A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com Hi, I wanted to map the agglomeration of my village and I am wondering again. [...] How do we tag agglomérations? Currently, with place=* and their relative info on a closed way. I have written a proposal which aims to change this

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
specifically, no U-turn is the common signage in many jurisdictions, and that's a turn restriction, not an access restriction. in a perfect world, that's how we'd have Mostly we are interested in the result, not the signs. It's the traffic code's limitation, that their best option is to

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/22/12 12:38 PM, Kytömaa Lauri wrote: specifically, no U-turn is the common signage in many jurisdictions, and that's a turn restriction, not an access restriction. in a perfect world, that's how we'd have Mostly we are interested in the result, not the signs. It's the traffic code's

[Tagging] Bicycle room in a hotel

2012-11-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
Any established way to tag a hotel that has a lockable bicycle room for guests? Would service:bicycle:parking=yes be appropriate? This would be in line with other bicycle services the hotel may provide, like service:bicycle:rental=yes service:bicycle:repair=yes

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Richard Welty wrote: On 11/22/12 8:32 AM, Richard Welty wrote: for u-turns that are currently frequently marked private or no, as a temporary expedient, and recommend in the section of the access page moving to no u-turn turn restrictions in the long term.

Re: [Tagging] Border crossing with restrictions

2012-11-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Volker Schmidt wrote: I have encountered a border crossing Slovenia-Croatia that is only open for local residents, but closed for other people ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/468001076/). From the explanations on this web site of the Slovenian

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle room in a hotel

2012-11-22 Thread Henning Scholland
Am 22.11.2012 19:23, schrieb Volker Schmidt: Any established way to tag a hotel that has a lockable bicycle room for guests? Would service:bicycle:parking=yes be appropriate? This would also mean parking outside a room, like in front of the hotel. It would be better to use

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/22/12 2:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Richard Welty wrote: now that i've thought about it another minute, we should use only-straight-on restrictions for simplicity and because the configuration (motorway-short turnaround road-motorway) doesn't really suit no

[Tagging] fire district boundaries

2012-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
admin boundary levels 9 10 are unused in the US. i see some usage of level 9 for fire district boundaries in the US. opinions? thanks, richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] fire district boundaries

2012-11-22 Thread Colin Smale
I wouldn't use boundary=admin with admin_level unless there is actually a hierarchical relationship with the levels above/below. Otherwise they should really be in their own hierarchy, using something like boundary=fire_service. AIUI the US fire departments are at the city or county level. Can a

Re: [Tagging] fire district boundaries

2012-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/22/12 4:11 PM, Colin Smale wrote: I wouldn't use boundary=admin with admin_level unless there is actually a hierarchical relationship with the levels above/below. Otherwise they should really be in their own hierarchy, using something like boundary=fire_service. AIUI the US fire

Re: [Tagging] piste:type=nordic but without underlying track

2012-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Michael S mich...@elfu.de wrote: I wonder if it is the right way to tag this trail with higway=track, because a user which wants to use the map for non-skiing purposes may think there is a track where one can walk on, which is not the case. Sounds a lot like

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle room in a hotel

2012-11-22 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: Any established way to tag a hotel that has a lockable bicycle room for guests? Would service:bicycle:parking=yes be appropriate? This would be in line with other bicycle services the hotel may provide, like

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Zones 30 in Belgium

2012-11-22 Thread Jo
I wrote a Python script to upload them to Openstreetbugs. Now I'm looking at OSMOSE and I noticed it also has a category for Openstreetbugs. I think it still needs to be synchronized, as I see only the bugs that were already present yesterday. If people prefer to use OSMOSE, this is certainly

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle room in a hotel

2012-11-22 Thread Henning Scholland
Am 22.11.2012 23:30, schrieb Erik Johansson: And then just reuse existing tagging: private:amenity=bicycle_parking private:amenity=bicycle_rental Typical you would use amenity=... access=private ;) But than you can't see if eg. a hotel has this service or not. Henning

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Reading over your comments about turn restrictions and the NY state code, I feel like we will end up with tortuous reasoning and miss the mark. Stepping way back and ignoring legal details, it seems like we need a schema to express what kinds of people/vehicles/etc. may do what, and a way to use

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/22/12 7:33 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: Reading over your comments about turn restrictions and the NY state code, I feel like we will end up with tortuous reasoning and miss the mark. Stepping way back and ignoring legal details, it seems like we need a schema to express what kinds of

Re: [Tagging] fire district boundaries

2012-11-22 Thread Greg Troxel
admin boundary levels 9 10 are unused in the US. i see some usage of level 9 for fire district boundaries in the US. I don't think we should use 9/10 for fire/school/etc. Those are not necessarily subsets of admin_level 8. If a state has a formal notion of something less than town

Re: [Tagging] fire district boundaries

2012-11-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/22/12 7:46 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: much which i've elided, but which is all basically fair. but i suspect there is considerable variation state to state, so whatever we do needs to be kind of flexible and not overly prescriptive. i'm still on the learning curve on how all this goes

Re: [Tagging] access=emergency revisited

2012-11-22 Thread Greg Troxel
I have been using mkgmap for about 3 years. I am not clear on it doing turn restrictions, because the garmin format is reverse-engineered, and the new version not understood. I am unaware of any other GPSr units being capable of being translated to. It's certainly possible to have a style file