Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread jonathan
Looks fun, but how did you know you could stay there? Or did you just ask? Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Jan van Bekkum Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎26‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎08‎:‎10 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools To give you a better impression of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread David Bannon
On Thu, 2015-03-26 at 05:51 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: Dave, I think we are after different things. Your proposal focuses on availability of services, while mine tells more about the relation between the camper and the land owner: Yes Jan, I agree. You have summed it up perfectly ! I'm

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread David Bannon
On Thu, 2015-03-26 at 09:10 +0100, Jan van Bekkum wrote: To give you a better impression of what I mean with non-designated campsites I uploaded images of places we stayed at in Iran, Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi and Malawi. Have a look here and enjoy. As you can see the quality

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-26 Thread André Pirard
Title: Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation Hi, So, the conclusion of my Loomio test is that it does not let the user choose which Google account it uses during account creation, it uses the connected account and, despite the user cancels the Login operation,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread Jan van Bekkum
To give you a better impression of what I mean with non-designated campsites I uploaded images of places we stayed at in Iran, Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi and Malawi. Have a look here https://plus.google.com/photos/+JanvanBekkum/albums/6130450615283723697 and enjoy. As you can see

Re: [Tagging] New Key:indoor wiki page

2015-03-26 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 24.03.2015 05:23, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Tagging list folks may wish to track or comment on: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:indoor In my opinion, documenting a single indoor-related tag without a complete indoor tagging schema makes no sense. We should wait until a complete solution,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread jonathan
I better understand your requirements now, thanks for that. I've looked at your site and pictures and feel we heave a fundamental problem. Designated is fine and existing tags cover it but non_designated is harder to agree to because of its temporary nature, I’m not sure OSM is the place for

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread Jan van Bekkum
Our blog can be found at www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl, video clips of our trips at https://www.youtube.com/user/JanvanBekkum. Many places we visited in Iran and east Africa for sure are no campgrounds according to western standards, but if you need a place for the night your standards adapt quickly. We

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread jonathan
If it's there for years then it is a campsite no matter how it is advertised. There is no point in separating designated and non-designated. In my opinion those photos do not depict wild camping, you are camping in a car park with some facilities available to the public. The is nothing

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread Jan van Bekkum
I am afraid we disagree then. After travelling around for almost 1.5 years and attempting to tag over 200 sites where we stayed, my conclusion is that it cannot be handled properly with the existing tags. That's why I made the proposal. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:23 PM jonat...@bigfatfrog67.me

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread Jan van Bekkum
Non-designated is not necessarily temporary. Some hotels may offer the service for many years, but it is not officially announced and not listed. For overlanders this information is too important not to have it mapped somehow. Let me also give a few examples of wild camps where we stayed that

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-26 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
Hi Andre, I am not sure what point you are trying to make. You should say what you mean when you speak of e-mail (not being the best tool). If you mean that a plain mail server or list server is insufficient, one can agree. But if you say that the user shouldn't use e-mail, that is wrong. 1)

[Tagging] areas (eg rocks) underwater and across coastline/water shores

2015-03-26 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, it is mostly so that an area eg natural=bare_rock does not end at the shoreline but extends some way under the water. Current practice of having it end exactly on the shoreline is both incorrect and a technical complication for mappers. In many cases some of the underwater racks would be

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-26 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 23.03.2015 21:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-03-23 15:27 GMT+01:00 Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de mailto:o...@stephans-server.de: The wiki describes operator=independent as he value has been used when exact details of the operator are not known, other than that they

Re: [Tagging] areas (eg rocks) underwater and across coastline/water shores

2015-03-26 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 26/03/2015 16:24, Richard Z. wrote: has the rendering of the tidal areas been defined somehow? No. tidal=yes is ignored. how about underwater:natural=* and awash:natural=* ? No doubt others will come up with alternatives. I will stand back and wait for the usual suspects!

Re: [Tagging] areas (eg rocks) underwater and across coastline/water shores

2015-03-26 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 03:31:36PM +, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 26/03/2015 12:35, Richard Z. wrote: How do people think about it? Should we generalise that approach or seek another solutions? The way I have approached this is to map separate areas above and below the natural=coastline

Re: [Tagging] areas (eg rocks) underwater and across coastline/water shores

2015-03-26 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 04:42:45PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 26.03.2015 um 13:35 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Current practice of having it end exactly on the shoreline is both incorrect and a technical complication for mappers. I believe for mappers

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - power_supply:schedule

2015-03-26 Thread Jan van Bekkum
I can't find how I get this in Map_Features. Can anybody help? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:04 PM Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: The voting period is over. The proposal collected 10 approvals and 2 rejects. Therefore I moved it to state approved:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - power_supply:schedule

2015-03-26 Thread Jan van Bekkum
The voting period is over. The proposal collected 10 approvals and 2 rejects. Therefore I moved it to state approved: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Power_supply:schedule Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards, *Jan van Bekkum* www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Jan

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread jonathan
Examples of Wildcamping: https://www.flickr.com/groups/487310@N25/pool/ Jonathan --- http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Jonathan H Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎26‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎13‎:‎17 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools If it's there for years then it is a

Re: [Tagging] Fuel shops

2015-03-26 Thread John F. Eldredge
If the business sells small quantities of fuel (automotive or otherwise), but not car parts, then in what sense does shop=car_parts apply? Fuel is not part of the car. On March 23, 2015 8:55:57 AM CDT, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: On 23.03.2015 11:02, Dave Swarthout wrote: An

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread David Bannon
On Thu, 2015-03-26 at 12:36 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: Non-designated is not necessarily temporary. Some hotels may offer the service for many years, but it is not officially announced and not listed. For overlanders this information is too important not to have it mapped somehow. I still

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread Warin
On 27/03/2015 9:18 AM, David Bannon wrote: On Thu, 2015-03-26 at 12:36 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: Non-designated is not necessarily temporary. Some hotels may offer the service for many years, but it is not officially announced and not listed. For overlanders this information is too important

Re: [Tagging] areas (eg rocks) underwater and across coastline/water shores

2015-03-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 26.03.2015 um 13:35 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Current practice of having it end exactly on the shoreline is both incorrect and a technical complication for mappers. I believe for mappers it is the easiest solution, not a technical complication. It is typically very

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread Jan van Bekkum
As well. If you look in the original proposal you find different categories of sites in this groups. It can be the beauty of the place, security, availability of some amenities. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM jonat...@bigfatfrog67.me wrote: Those look fantastic, would you want to tag those as

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread jonathan
Those look fantastic, would you want to tag those as Wildcamping? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Jan van Bekkum Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎26‎ ‎March‎ ‎2015 ‎14‎:‎11 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Fortunately we had those as well:

Re: [Tagging] areas (eg rocks) underwater and across coastline/water shores

2015-03-26 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 26/03/2015 12:35, Richard Z. wrote: How do people think about it? Should we generalise that approach or seek another solutions? The way I have approached this is to map separate areas above and below the natural=coastline way add the tag tidal=yes on the below HW area. Should we use

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-26 Thread Jan van Bekkum
Fortunately we had those as well: https://plus.google.com/photos/111767853767854777895/albums/6130545866082686641 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging