Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 09.06.2015 um 08:12 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: Maybe pretty it up with a namespace. office=goverment admin_level=4 office:type:california=DMV office=goverment admin_level=4 office:type:massachusetts=RMV name=Massachusetts Registry of Motor

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-09 13:07 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: Everything else being the same (taxes, base fuel price, etc), minimum service is always about 10-15 cents *cheaper* than self service because they're not having to foot the bill for untrained and unknown people handling hazardous

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread johnw
On Jun 9, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Everything else being the same (taxes, base fuel price, etc), minimum service is always about 10-15 cents *cheaper* The idea that a human costs less than a credit card reader built in the pump is an intriguing proposition

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
There's got to be a better way to do this. Oregon, this would be handled by the DMV in rural areas, and the Department of Environmental Quality in the Metro and Lane County regions. In Oklahoma, this would be handled by the Oklahoma Tax Commission, same as you'd get a fishing license. Driver's

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 06:07 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: Full service does cost more, because full service typically checks and tops off any fluids you're low on, along with checking your tires and cleaning your windows as part of the price included; and (sometimes, if they're fishing for

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to propose that the tag full_service=yes be used to tag gas stations that are full serve (i.e. an attendant pumps gas, like all gas stations in New Jersey and Oregon). Nope! You're conflating minimum

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-09 12:27 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: There's got to be a better way to do this. Oregon, this would be handled by the DMV in rural areas, and the Department of Environmental Quality in the Metro and Lane County regions. In Oklahoma, this would be handled by the

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 13:17 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheaper than self because there is someone who does work for you, while in self you will do it and nobody has

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
These are very specific government agencies. This may be a place where regionally specific tags work best. Maybe pretty it up with a namespace. office=goverment admin_level=4 office:type:california=DMV office=goverment admin_level=4 office:type:massachusetts=RMV

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread johnw
On Jun 9, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: There's a whole set of assumptions about each type of goverment office that would be impossible to consistently capture with generic tags. Here the Duck of duck typing says call it by whatever it is known locally.

Re: [Tagging] Self storage places

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-09 15:51 GMT+02:00 Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com: How do you tag self storage places (e.g. Public Storage, etc.)? It seems like man_made=storage is the most popular tag on taginfo but it is unofficial. This needs to be made formal. I'm not sure that tag is about self storage

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-09 14:37 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: How would you tag a shop that sells tax stamps and licenses, but is not a government office, and does not provide other services? The Oklahoma Tax Commission uses such a system throughout the state (authorized tag agents) to save

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread phil
On Tue Jun 9 16:06:40 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-06-09 14:37 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: How would you tag a shop that sells tax stamps and licenses, but is not a government office, and does not provide other services? The Oklahoma Tax Commission uses

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-09 17:15 GMT+02:00 p...@trigpoint.me.uk: Is a tax stamp some sort of vehicle tax? you can use them universally for payments of government taxes and fees, typically you have to stick them onto forms or other documents to make them valid. cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-09 14:47 GMT+02:00 p...@trigpoint.me.uk: Do they give change? Otherwise how do you know how much to prepay? actually this is just one type of petrol stations, a small typology for the city, there's lots of them, without a roof, it is just a very small cabin and 2 pumps. During

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread phil
On Tue Jun 9 16:26:36 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: you can use them universally for payments of government taxes and fees, typically you have to stick them onto forms or other documents to make them valid. Tax_stamp sounds good, I have never heard of a UK equivalent. Phil

[Tagging] Access and area type for some (public) objects

2015-06-09 Thread Daniel Koć
I'd like to ask about access=* values for some objects. 1. First is rather easy - there is fenced area with a few big apartment houses. You can enter only if you have a key or somebody open it. Should the highways inside be tagged with access=private? It's like few hundred people inside, so I

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
I'm guessing we don't need admin_level with vehicle registration, because it's always the same within a certain country. So let's keep it simple: building=yes + vehicle_registration=yes + driver_licensing=yes. uto, 9. lip 2015. 17:42 p...@trigpoint.me.uk je napisao: On Tue Jun 9 16:26:36 2015

Re: [Tagging] Access and area type for some (public) objects

2015-06-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
Is there a sign private or residents only or something like that? Then tag it as access=private, or motor_vehicle=private. Is there only a gate or a liftgate with no sign? Just add barrier=liftgate/gate. Access=permisive is a bit tricky, but I wouldn't tag any of your examples with that tag.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread John Eldredge
In the USA, how it is handled varies from state to state, so there is at least one country where it isn't uniformly handled on a national level. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread John Willis
I would like to roll town hall into civic_admin, or similar, but realistically i can't, because the tag os so popular. But since almost every single other government agency or service is currently untagged, there is still plenty to be done. Javbw. On Jun 9, 2015, at 10:58 PM, Andreas Goss

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Colin Smale
Also in the U.K. as Northern Ireland had its own system. On 9 June 2015 23:13:55 CEST, John Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: In the USA, how it is handled varies from state to state, so there is at least one country where it isn't uniformly handled on a national level. -- John F. Eldredge

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Donation

2015-06-09 Thread Andreas Goss
Honestly I don't think it's such a good idea to start voting 1 year later when there wasn't an ongoing discussion. I'm not sure about amenity=donation when some things are very different. I also feel like bood_bank, sperm_bank (do we want to tag those?) and amenity=social facility would cover

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Using one global scheme could make rendering easier, but muddy the meaning of the place. Usnig regional schemes would match map reader expectations, but likely lag in terms of rendering support and processnig support. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:15 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Tue Jun 9 16:06:40 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-06-09 14:37 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: How would you tag a shop that sells tax stamps and licenses, but is not a

Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?

2015-06-09 Thread Warin
On 9/06/2015 11:27 PM, Richard wrote: BTW I hope you don't tag all bridges with level=-1 in real world mapping??? From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer /Ways passing above other ways on a bridge will have a//* higher layer value*//,/ /ways passing in tunnels below other

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Donation

2015-06-09 Thread Ruben Maes
Hello A year ago I started a proposal for donation facilities, covering everything from blood donation centres to clothes containers. Since then I've limited it to blood and other body products. I'd like to start the voting process now:

Re: [Tagging] Access and area type for some (public) objects

2015-06-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Daniel Koć dan...@xn--ko-wla.pl writes: 1. First is rather easy - there is fenced area with a few big apartment houses. You can enter only if you have a key or somebody open it. Should the highways inside be tagged with access=private? It's like few hundred people inside, so I just want to

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2015, at 12:40 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Tue Jun 9 16:26:36 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: you can use them universally for payments of government taxes and fees, typically you have to stick them onto forms or other documents to make

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Janko Mihelić
What's the difference in handling? When you register your car in Oregon, you can drive it across the USA. For cases when you can only get a drivers license for inside Oregon we can use: driver_licensing=yes + driver_licensing:admin_level=4 uto, 9. lip 2015. 23:15 John Eldredge

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread John Willis
On Jun 9, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: P brands (Arco, Amoco, BP, Aral, am/pm, Wild Bean) usually make you go inside anyway and don't let you pay at the pump. A long time ago the self pumps were crap - but i have never seen pufdles of fuel anywhere. Now

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/9/15 5:48 PM, John Eldredge wrote: The department that issues drivers' licenses varies from state to state. The rules dividing regular drivers' licenses from specialized licenses, such as restricted licenses for minors, commercial licenses (needed to drive a vehicle for hire, and/or

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 06:07 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: Full service does cost more, because full service typically checks and tops off any fluids you're low on, along with checking your tires and cleaning your

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-06-09 12:27 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: There's got to be a better way to do this. Oregon, this would be handled by the DMV in rural areas, and the Department of Environmental Quality in

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 07:37 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: The Oklahoma Tax Commission uses such a system throughout the state (authorized tag agents) to save people the hassle of having to drive down to their office on the capitol mall in Oklahoma City. Texas does the same thing (allows e.g.

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-06-09 13:48 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheaper than self because there is someone who does work for you, while in self you will do it and nobody

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:53 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Everything else being the same (taxes, base fuel price, etc), minimum service is always about 10-15 cents *cheaper* The idea that a human costs less than a credit

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-06-09 13:48 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheaper than self

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread phil
On Tue Jun 9 13:23:05 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-06-09 13:48 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheaper than self because there is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Donation

2015-06-09 Thread Warin
On 10/06/2015 9:58 AM, Andreas Goss wrote: Honestly I don't think it's such a good idea to start voting 1 year later when there wasn't an ongoing discussion. The reverse of rush to voting ? I see no reason to wait with nothing happening after some time of the RFC stage. Others may

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Donation

2015-06-09 Thread Warin
On 10/06/2015 11:07 AM, Warin wrote: On 10/06/2015 9:58 AM, Andreas Goss wrote: Honestly I don't think it's such a good idea to start voting 1 year later when there wasn't an ongoing discussion. The reverse of rush to voting ? I see no reason to wait with nothing happening after some time

[Tagging] Self storage places

2015-06-09 Thread Andrew MacKinnon
How do you tag self storage places (e.g. Public Storage, etc.)? It seems like man_made=storage is the most popular tag on taginfo but it is unofficial. This needs to be made formal. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

2015-06-09 Thread Andreas Goss
What I don't get is why everyone is on this office=government and government=* tag, when even in your proposal most of the stuff that would fall under civic_admin is currently just tagged as amenity. I mean I would not have an issue with a government= tag, but then we would have to be

Re: [Tagging] Node objects in tunnels or on bridges?

2015-06-09 Thread Richard
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 07:10:08PM +0200, André Pirard wrote: On 2015-06-08 13:29, Richard wrote : Hi, quite often there are node-type objects on bridges or in tunnels. What to do with them? Tunnel or bridge tags are dfined only for ways.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Donation

2015-06-09 Thread Holger Jeromin
Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com Wrote in message: Ok .. I'm wrong there.. you can donate just blood plasma. Not normal practice here for donations. A normal blood donation is whole blood. But maybe in other places they do plasma only? Plasma only is common in Germany,