Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-27 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 27.08.2015 13:51, Andy Townsend wrote: On 27/08/2015 12:15, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: There's no point in a disused:foo=bar namespace. That's either historical mapping or hiding from the renderer, both of which are wrong in OSM. Er, no. A disused:amenity=pub is something that still

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 14:16 +0100, Chris Hill wrote: On 26/08/15 13:44, Dave F. wrote: A pub that's closed down it's still recognisable as a pub. It's not a park bench or a multi-storey car park. It's just closed. This should be described in sub tags. No, a pub that is closed

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 27.08.2015 um 18:49 schrieb Philip Barnes: A disused pub, providing it still looks like a pub, is still a useful navigational feature. Pubs have always been the normal way of giving directions. http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/PrKK4Y3JBpdF3jg6fnLM1g/photo Turn right by The White Horse, carry

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-27 Thread geow
Hi all, thank you for taking the time to discuss my proposition. This has been a remarkable and quite populated discussion in several ways, but it doesn’t answer my question: Which criteria should distinct footway from path? I think a majority of mappers world wide would agree on this minimum

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 26.08.2015 um 02:09 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: The difference between a building used as a supermarket compared to a department store is the internal fitout, the building remains the same. not at all, this might be the case in some areas (that I am not

Re: [Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

2015-08-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 25.08.2015 um 19:10 schrieb serpens-...@gmx.de: And amenity=embassy just way to specific, nobody wants amenity=consulate_general, ameninty=consulate etc. why not? What is the advantage of using diplomatic instead of amenity as a key? Why should we use the same main

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-27 Thread Bryan Housel
`highway=footway` implies an access tag `foot=designated` `highway=path` implies an access tag `foot=yes` (but can certainly be overridden) “designated” is kind of a tricky concept, but it basically means something like: - there is a sign saying you can walk there - or something like a sign

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 27.08.2015 um 12:13 schrieb Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de: That said it's probably a bit complicated, because there will be some overlapp. yes, there is clearly overlap, but usually you can go with the auto declaration of the business. Problem for German

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-27 Thread John Willis
Footway is a constructed or engineered way, dedicated and built to a grade where foot traffic should expect an easy walk. This might make other traffic passage easier as well ( bikes), but engineered with pedestrians in mind. Path is a cleared area with minimal-to-no construction to create the

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-27 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015, John Willis wrote: Footway is a constructed or engineered way, dedicated and built to a grade where foot traffic should expect an easy walk. This might make other traffic passage easier as well ( bikes), but engineered with pedestrians in mind. Path is a cleared

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/27/2015 2:29 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: not at all, this might be the case in some areas (that I am not aware of) and edge cases, but the typical supermarket is 1 storey, in huge cases 2 (and then one level is typically electronics, or gardening and other non-food articles and tends

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 28.08.2015 um 00:20 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: Interestingly, most electronics shops are on stilts - first floor is parking, second floor is is the main floor. In Tokyo, everything is crammed into the bottom floors of multi-story buildings, with the

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 28.08.2015 um 00:22 schrieb Paul Norman penor...@mac.com: This is not generally true, although it might be where you are. A typical department store here is one or two floors inside, with an outside somewhat like this:

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread John Willis
The Montgomery ward's department store in my old hometown was turned into a Walmart (2 stories) but most department stores in California are 1-2 floors (with most targets and walmarts being 1 story). Most supermarkets are one. Size is the only difference in their construction, and often near

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread John Willis
I forgot to mention, as most supermarkets are part of large shopping centres (shops ringing a parking lot). the building is built, and the market or whatever is merely a leaseholder. Many are purpose built inside to be a certain one, but the architecture matches all the other (smaller) shops

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread Andreas Goss
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Djoiner http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dcabinet_maker https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dcarpenter The problem with that whole carpenter page it that it's wikipedia copypasta. And when I wanted to change anything our

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-27 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 26.08.2015 15:16, Chris Hill wrote: No, a pub that is closed is simply not open for business until it reopens the next day. A pub that is disused is no longer a pub. What about a pub that is closed for 2 months? What's the limit? Anyway, we have two points of view: 1) It's still a pub. In

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-27 Thread Andy Townsend
On 27/08/2015 12:15, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: There's no point in a disused:foo=bar namespace. That's either historical mapping or hiding from the renderer, both of which are wrong in OSM. Er, no. A disused:amenity=pub is something that still exists in its own right; it's a building that

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread Warin
On 28/08/2015 9:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 28.08.2015 um 00:20 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: Interestingly, most electronics shops are on stilts - first floor is parking, second floor is is the main floor. In Tokyo, everything is crammed into the bottom

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 28.08.2015 um 01:47 schrieb Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: building=residence residence=queenslander ... looks like a detached_house, maybe a villa in some occasions? I agree that Queenslander is very specific and suitable for a sub-tag, but wouldn't mind if someone

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-27 Thread Warin
On 28/08/2015 9:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 28.08.2015 um 00:12 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi: I think any language ambiguity related to trail can be solved with proper documentation. And also document sane default access assumptions.

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread John Willis
When I think class, you think specific and vice versa. We are very often ying and yang! There are so, so, so many single retail buildings where one store has a few tiny kiosks inside (without being a mall) - almost every supermarket I know in the US has an (independent) bank, a starbucks, a

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 28.08.2015 um 00:12 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi: I think any language ambiguity related to trail can be solved with proper documentation. And also document sane default access assumptions. highway=path was documented from the beginning and

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread Warin
On 28/08/2015 9:33 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 28.08.2015 um 00:22 schrieb Paul Norman penor...@mac.com: This is not generally true, although it might be where you are. A typical department store here is one or two floors inside, with an outside somewhat like this: