Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > So maybe we should not use brand=* on the "shop" itself, but something like > product:car:brands=BMW;Mini to refer to the products, NOT to the external > appearance of the shop. After all, we are not listing the

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Warin
On 8/03/2016 10:25 AM, Michael Reichert wrote: Hi, Am 07.03.2016 um 08:56 schrieb Frederik Ramm: It is possible that some supermarkets would make their list of products available electronically and thus provide an incentive for a clever hacker to simply convert that to OSM. Once we say we

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi, Am 07.03.2016 um 08:56 schrieb Frederik Ramm: > It is possible that some supermarkets would make their list of products > available electronically and thus provide an incentive for a clever > hacker to simply convert that to OSM. Once we say we accept a list of > products for a supermarket,

Re: [Tagging] sloped_curb, kerb and god knows what left in limbo ......

2016-03-07 Thread Simon Poole
If you scroll down you will notice that there was never a sloped_kerb proposal as the page is actually the proposal for amenity=sloped_curb which was marked as inactive here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/sloped_kerb=670959 (which is understandable given that

Re: [Tagging] sloped_curb, kerb and god knows what left in limbo ......

2016-03-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
Today: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/sloped_kerb=1279361=1215962 On 7 March 2016 at 19:48, Simon Poole wrote: > Recently I believe in this case was 2010 . > > Simon > > Am 07.03.2016 um 19:39 schrieb Andy Mabbett: >> On 2 March 2016 at

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Colin Smale
Marc, You assert that it doesn't exist in Belgium. It most definitely does exist elsewhere though; repeating your assertion is not going to get closer to a conclusion. In fact, as it exists for caravans, campers and bicycles, it would be advantageous to have a uniform tagging model for all these

Re: [Tagging] sloped_curb, kerb and god knows what left in limbo ......

2016-03-07 Thread Simon Poole
Recently I believe in this case was 2010 . Simon Am 07.03.2016 um 19:39 schrieb Andy Mabbett: > On 2 March 2016 at 16:42, Simon Poole wrote: >> While the abandoned proposal seems to be more complete and I can't say >> anything about the other variant because of the lacking

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Even if this happens in Belgium, it is clear that we have to accommodate > multi-brand dealerships in our tagging scheme because it most definitely > does occur elsewhere. From what I understood from Frederik's mail, he

Re: [Tagging] sloped_curb, kerb and god knows what left in limbo ......

2016-03-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 2 March 2016 at 16:42, Simon Poole wrote: > While the abandoned proposal seems to be more complete and I can't say > anything about the other variant because of the lacking documentation, I > don't really care either way, it would simply make easier if we could > come to some

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Colin Smale
Even if this happens in Belgium, it is clear that we have to accommodate multi-brand dealerships in our tagging scheme because it most definitely does occur elsewhere. I may be wrong, but I thought that the sort of dealership restrictions you mention were illegal these days, unless it can be

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Have to? Is there some law or regulation in Belgium? I think it's required by BMW and VW/Audi. (or the company that does the imports for the brand into Belgium). I believe they even can't sell BMW motorcycles from the

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Marc Zoutendijk
> Op 7 mrt. 2016, om 08:56 heeft Frederik Ramm het > volgende geschreven: > > Thankfully, this is hypothetical because we won't do it. OSM is a geo > database and not a sales directory. +1 That’s exactly how I see it. Never, ever would OSM be able to support such a

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Colin Smale
Have to? Is there some law or regulation in Belgium? Or is it a choice of the brands themselves? My BMW dealer (in NL) also does Mini, from the same building, at the same desk (for maintenance anyway). Next door is a dealer for Rolls-Royce, TVR, McClaren, Lexus, Lamborghini and others all in one

Re: [Tagging] Tagging "you pick" farms and related fruit stands

2016-03-07 Thread joost schouppe
farm:pick_your_own=yes makes most sense to me. I used the tag for the second time in the whole database [1]. Is this really all we have of these things, or are there some other proposititions in use? [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/397702013 2016-02-14 2:35 GMT+01:00 Greg Troxel

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Putting brand=X on a shop would indicate the branding of the shop, not > necessarily the brands which are sold within. These days (certainly in the > 4-wheeled world) we are seeing less single-branded shops/showrooms and

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2016-03-07 12:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2016-03-07 7:50 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > >> For example at present a mapper adding tags to a sewing shop that sells >> sewing machines can have >> >> paff=yes... that makes no sense unless you know Paff make sewing >>

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-03-07 7:50 GMT+01:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > For example at present a mapper adding tags to a sewing shop that sells > sewing machines can have > > paff=yes... that makes no sense unless you know Paff make sewing > machines. > > gutenberg=yes ... makes no sense unless you know

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Warin
On 7/03/2016 8:25 PM, Colin Smale wrote: How about limiting the list to product categories, according to an agreed taxonomy? Particularly categories which help to distinguish one shop from another. For example supermarkets might be expected to sell frozen food, but occasionally they might

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Colin Smale
How about limiting the list to product categories, according to an agreed taxonomy? Particularly categories which help to distinguish one shop from another. For example supermarkets might be expected to sell frozen food, but occasionally they might not. So frozen food would be a candidate for a

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Warin
On 7/03/2016 6:56 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 03/07/2016 07:54 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Just imagine what would happen if someone took it upon them to actually list all the products sold at a supermarket. And update that once a week. I see no problem with that except that anybody