Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread John Willis
> On May 16, 2017, at 12:34 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > "Recently" there are also new couriers which specialize in sending letters > (as opposed to parcels), e.g. Pin AG in Germany https://www.pin-ag.de/ who > have their own stamps, or "Posta Express" in Italy How do you recommend ta

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Language information for name

2017-05-15 Thread Lukas Sommer
This is still in RFC phase. Current state after discussion at the Wiki talk page is using name:language (similiar structure like the yet existing name:left and name:right) as key. Lukas 2017-05-05 11:51 GMT, Lukas Sommer : > Feature Proposal - RFC - Language information for name > > URL: > https:

Re: [Tagging] How to tag monumental railcars

2017-05-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 15 May 2017 at 22:04, Mark Bradley wrote: > I have mapped several cabooses (UK brake vans), a type of non-revenue > car, and technically these don't fall under the categories of rolling stock, > freight cars, or passenger cars/coaches. As an en-GB native, and having spent ten years working at

[Tagging] How to tag monumental railcars

2017-05-15 Thread Mark Bradley
> Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 15:56:13 +0200 > From: Tijmen Stam > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] How to tag monumental railcars > Message-ID: <17c6e991-7a78-ab78-7701-acef9290d...@iivq.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On May 15, 2017, at 10:28 PM, Tobias Wrede wrote: > > What you write makes a lot of sense. Just, that a lot of that exactly applies > to post offices/postal services as well. So why should post_office be an > amenity and courier a shop? I still suggest to somehow unify post_office an

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. May 2017, at 18:51, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > The default resolution to many tagging questions appears to be that the > mapper eventually gives up. you can always add a tag like amenity=courier + name and/or operator=foo and be done. (and later these can eventuall

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > It is correct that "perfect is the enemy of the good", but if you don't > even try to make it good, it will very likely be bad ;-) > I don't often see that happen in the 'tagging' mailing list. But I've seen

Re: [Tagging] toilets:wheelchair or wheelchair_toilet (Both iD presets)

2017-05-15 Thread Dave F
On 15/05/2017 16:10, Clifford Snow wrote: On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:01 AM, Dave F > wrote: As Wheelmap only displays a subset of all establishments people adding data are using iD. Would it big a big problem if 'toilets:wheelchair' & wheelchair:

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-05-15 16:49 GMT+02:00 Kevin Kenny : > It may be a difficult idea for a German - I understand that you really > don't have courier offices over there separate from Bundespost since DHL > was nationalized - but in the US, we have a common type of shop, with names > like "FedEx Store" (some are

Re: [Tagging] toilets:wheelchair or wheelchair_toilet (Both iD presets)

2017-05-15 Thread Dave F
On 15/05/2017 14:25, Bryan Housel wrote: I think I’d rather see people just use the existing wheelchair key, which iD provides in the “Add Field” dropdown. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wheelchair They are using that, but to compliment it they're also adding those other two tags, t

Re: [Tagging] toilets:wheelchair or wheelchair_toilet (Both iD presets)

2017-05-15 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:01 AM, Dave F wrote: > As Wheelmap only displays a subset of all establishments people adding > data are using iD. Would it big a big problem if 'toilets:wheelchair' & > wheelchair:description were added to the defaults. I agree - adding wheelchair accessibility to toi

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1, these cases should all be addressed and differentiated. Additionally > it could be needed to separately address letters and parcels. The proposals > I have seen so far didn't solve this in any way, they di

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Zecke
Am 15.05.2017 um 16:04 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: how would you tag the adit then? (I'm asking for the feature that is described in the wiki: a horizontal or almost horizontal tunnel going into the underground) I wouldn't map that at all. And if so, a tunnel=yes, layer=-1 should describe al

Re: [Tagging] toilets:wheelchair or wheelchair_toilet (Both iD presets)

2017-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. May 2017, at 15:25, Bryan Housel wrote: > > I don’t think I would be able to explain to new mappers that they are > supposed to use the `wheelchair` tag on anything, but the > `toilets:wheelchair` tag on a building that has the toilets in it, unless > they want to

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. May 2017, at 14:46, John Willis wrote: > > > "Tag" level - a business that does something else ( a convenience store, a > strawberry farm, a department store) that offers courier service in some > manner. Be it local delivery or international shipping. > > "Reta

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. May 2017, at 15:40, Zecke wrote: > > So I would be very reluctant to re-defining the established OSM tagging here. how would you tag the adit then? (I'm asking for the feature that is described in the wiki: a horizontal or almost horizontal tunnel going into the

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Zecke
Am 15.05.2017 um 14:37 schrieb Andy Townsend: On 15/05/2017 12:59, Zecke wrote: An "adit" is by definition an /entrance /to a subterranean gallery or drift. Er, no - at least not according to my understanding of the term as it is used locally to me in England. Well, after some googling it s

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread Tobias Wrede
Am 15.05.2017 um 14:59 schrieb John Willis: My email accidentally got sent before I was finished, but I think you see where I am going. What you write makes a lot of sense. Just, that a lot of that exactly applies to post offices/postal services as well. So why should post_office be an amenit

Re: [Tagging] toilets:wheelchair or wheelchair_toilet (Both iD presets)

2017-05-15 Thread Bryan Housel
I think I’d rather see people just use the existing wheelchair key, which iD provides in the “Add Field” dropdown. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wheelchair The fields that we expose for restaurants and other buildings are already re

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-05-15 14:52 GMT+02:00 Zecke : > Well, I'm no native English speaker, so I have to rely on what they're > saying. I found however: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adit > So they write: > An *adit* (from Latin *aditus*, entrance)[1] > is an entr

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread John Willis
My email accidentally got sent before I was finished, but I think you see where I am going. Shop=courier for a box shop or other retail outlet that "sells" shipping is a great place to start. The rest is such a big mess of combinations or it is mapping the commercial facilities that the serv

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Zecke
Am 15.05.2017 um 14:39 schrieb Michal Fabík: I did a quick overpass search for ways tagged as adits and some of the cases are interesting, to say the least: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/108932116 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/33139563 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/220961406 http://www

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Zecke
Am 15.05.2017 um 14:37 schrieb Andy Townsend: On 15/05/2017 12:59, Zecke wrote: An "adit" is by definition an /entrance /to a subterranean gallery or drift. Er, no - at least not according to my understanding of the term as it is used locally to me in England. Well, I'm no native English spea

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread John Willis
The fact that office=courier doesn't attempt to replace post office seems a step in the right direction. So let's think of a massive courier - linked a regional or national one. This combination will vary, but: "Tag" level - a business that does something else ( a convenience store, a strawb

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Michal Fabík
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Zecke wrote: > Am 15.05.2017 um 11:47 schrieb Michal Fabík: > > > >> Shouldn't the tag be "man_made=adit_portal" >> > > Why not just man_made=adit_entrance? I'm not sure I'd call a crudely dug > opening (like the one in the picture on the Wiki page) a portal. (May

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/05/2017 12:59, Zecke wrote: An "adit" is by definition an /entrance /to a subterranean gallery or drift. Er, no - at least not according to my understanding of the term as it is used locally to me in England. Best Regards, Andy ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread Tobias Wrede
Hi, Am 15.05.2017 um 12:45 schrieb muzirian: I think I tried to address suggestions made.Are you suggesting to scrap the proposal and use post office instead? Regards Well, when reading through the comments of the no voters (and the comments here in the thread) I believe that it was only a

Re: [Tagging] toilets:wheelchair or wheelchair_toilet (Both iD presets)

2017-05-15 Thread Dave F
Ah, I was unaware of the 'Add fields' & 'All tags' differences. Does iD pull in all taginfo or is there a minimum number limit? As Wheelmap only displays a subset of all establishments people adding data are using iD. Would it big a big problem if 'toilets:wheelchair' & wheelchair:description

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Zecke
Am 15.05.2017 um 11:47 schrieb Michal Fabík: Shouldn't the tag be "man_made=adit_portal" Why not just man_made=adit_entrance? I'm not sure I'd call a crudely dug opening (like the one in the picture on the Wiki page) a portal. (Maybe it's just me.) An "adit" is by definition an /entran

Re: [Tagging] toilets:wheelchair or wheelchair_toilet (Both iD presets)

2017-05-15 Thread Dave F
On 14/05/2017 22:05, Tom Pfeifer wrote: One of them, I think wheelchair_toilet, was caused by an implementation error in the wheelmap system, which was fixed last year. Correcting it was under discussion mainly on the German list, and a mechanical fix is envisaged. Good to know. DaveF ___

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread muzirian
I think I tried to address suggestions made.Are you suggesting to scrap the proposal and use post office instead? Regards On Monday, May 15, 2017, Tobias Wrede wrote: > Hi Kelvin, > > I still don't see how this proposal addresses any of the many concerns > brought forward in the previous ameni

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Michal Fabík
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have now changed the tag name from "depth" to "length", as there haven't > been any more comments and the definition already said it was about > "length". > > Bonus question, why not map adits optionally as

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

2017-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I have now changed the tag name from "depth" to "length", as there haven't been any more comments and the definition already said it was about "length". Bonus question, why not map adits optionally as ways? Shouldn't the tag be "man_made=adit_portal" if only the portals are mapped and only nodes a

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

2017-05-15 Thread Tobias Wrede
Hi Kelvin, I still don't see how this proposal addresses any of the many concerns brought forward in the previous amenity=courier voting or this thread. Just changing amenity to office doesn't make the whole post-office/courier tagging any better (quite the opposite in my opinion). Tobi A