Re: [Tagging] Not mapping personal preferences and details

2017-10-05 Thread Dave Swarthout
IMO, this sort of information does not belong in the OSM database. If a shop owner is expert in the field, fine; let them say so in a website specific to the business and we can add the "expertise" information in that way. OSM cannot be a database of all things in existence. Besides that, such data

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v2 Vehicle Type "coach"

2017-10-05 Thread Mikolai-Alexander Gütschow
Thanks Martin for your answers, please refer to the Talkpage for my answers: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Public_Transport_v2_Vehicle_Type_%22coach%22 Cheers! El 05/10/17 a las 06:22, Martin Koppenhoefer escribió: 2017-10-05 0:09 GMT+02:00 Mikolai-Alexander Gü

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Fire Hydrant Extensions)

2017-10-05 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, Same as Marc too. This proposal was discussed for months prior to start voting. Fortunatly, tags don't need to be "approved" to be used. If tagging sounds good to people, they will use it, although updating tools ease a lot the adoption process (only with so called approved tagging). A longer

Re: [Tagging] Not mapping personal preferences and details

2017-10-05 Thread Warin
On 05-Oct-17 10:41 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: In my understanding, we would not map the personal preferences and hobbies of individuals. ? We all map our personal preference and hobbies! Walkers map public rights of way and bicycle riders map bicycle paths, bicycle parking, bicycle repair stan

Re: [Tagging] Not mapping personal preferences and details

2017-10-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
But wouldn't you expect (hope? :-)) that the staff at a specialist shop, be it motorcycles, computers, 2-way radios or anything, would be "expert" in their field? Thanks Graeme On 5 October 2017 at 22:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > 2017-10-05 13:41 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer : > >> In the wa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Fire Hydrant Extensions)

2017-10-05 Thread Mark Bradley
> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:14:56 + > From: marc marc > To: "tagging@openstreetmap.org" > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Fire Hydrant > Extensions) > > Hello, > > Le 05. 10. 17 à 12:16, Viking a écrit : > > I really don't understand why so many people oppose this p

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Public Transport v2 Vehicle Type "coach"

2017-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-10-05 0:09 GMT+02:00 Mikolai-Alexander Gütschow < mikolai.guetsc...@t-online.de>: > Now, I've looked again at the Oxomoa scheme proposal which already > suggested an idea to differentiate between different bus route types by > using the key "bus". Are there any arguments against this approach

Re: [Tagging] Not mapping personal preferences and details

2017-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-10-05 13:41 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer : > In the wake of the discussion about the methods used to push the > "motorcycle_friendly" tag, I found that the tag > "proprietor:motorcyclist=yes/no Whether the proprietor rides himself > (and therefore got expertise)" > being described [1], and used 12x

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-10-05 13:51 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić : > > No.. I've been meaning to do it for some time, but laziness prevailed. > if you don't document it, it will come back sooner or later ;-) You can also add just a small hint for now, so it could be improved later. Cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-05 Thread Janko Mihelić
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, 16:47 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 4. Oct 2017, at 14:53, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > > > I use historic=memorial_site. There are 31 of them in OSM right now. > > > I think this is fine for these cases, do you have it documented in the > wiki? > N

[Tagging] Not mapping personal preferences and details

2017-10-05 Thread Tom Pfeifer
In the wake of the discussion about the methods used to push the "motorcycle_friendly" tag, I found that the tag "proprietor:motorcyclist=yes/no Whether the proprietor rides himself (and therefore got expertise)" being described [1], and used 12x in the database. In my understanding, we would

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-10-05 12:37 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > Would depend on the case. > > However if each individual tree is a node in OSM, as it would be if each > has an individual plaque with name, > then it is simpler to include the nodes in a site relation rather than > make an new area. I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Fire Hydrant Extensions)

2017-10-05 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 05. 10. 17 à 12:16, Viking a écrit : > I really don't understand why so many people oppose this proposal [1] without > ever having participated in the discussions it is indeed strange that no opponent took the time to say during the RFC arguments that are found now during the vote. yes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Fire Hydrant Extensions)

2017-10-05 Thread Yves
That's often the case with the voting process. However there is a few constructive comments that could be addressed to refine this proposal. Think about what is essential, and what is not (like namespaces or not). In such a specialized tagging scheme, I always thought it would be nice if vote

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Fire Hydrant Extensions)

2017-10-05 Thread Warin
On 05-Oct-17 09:16 PM, Viking wrote: I really don't understand why so many people oppose this proposal [1] without ever having participated in the discussions that lasted for months. We did many efforts to reach this compromise that seems a good solution for firefighters' needs, and now people

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-05 Thread Warin
On 05-Oct-17 08:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 5. Oct 2017, at 00:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Then a site relation could be used to combine them into a combined feature? a simple polygon would do as well, or are the commemorative trees very sparse? In t

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-05 Thread Warin
The tag landuse says some thing about the land being used for some productive purpose for humans. In that way landuse=forest says that the area is used/going to be used to produce something of benefit to humans. At some time that area may be harvested of trees .. and then have no trees for a a s

Re: [Tagging] Mapping metro interchanges

2017-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone On 4. Oct 2017, at 23:23, Ilya Zverev wrote: So, should it be one railway=station + station=subway or four? I’m not sure for king’s cross, but in the case of Berlin, U Stadtmitte, there are 2 stations with this name , they are connected by a pedestrian tunnel (160m says wiki

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Fire Hydrant Extensions)

2017-10-05 Thread Viking
I really don't understand why so many people oppose this proposal [1] without ever having participated in the discussions that lasted for months. We did many efforts to reach this compromise that seems a good solution for firefighters' needs, and now people are opposing to it whithout understand

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I know that it is controversial topic but in practice both natural=wood and landuse=forest means "area where trees are growing" On 5 Oct 2017 10:55 a.m., "Martin Koppenhoefer" wrote: sent from a phone > On 5. Oct 2017, at 04:58, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > It's definitely not intended for

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Oct 2017, at 04:58, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > It's definitely not intended for forestry / logging purposes, so it's not > landuse=forest common osm interpretation of landuse=forest is less strict, I think cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Oct 2017, at 00:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Then a site relation could be used to combine them into a combined feature? a simple polygon would do as well, or are the commemorative trees very sparse? In the latter case I agree a site relation could s

Re: [Tagging] war_memorial

2017-10-05 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
Can I contribute to this debate? AFAIK I invented memorial=war_memorial for the Project of the Week which coincided with 11th November 2010. I agonised a certain amount about the best tag (both because of issues mentioned here, and because it would apply to both historic=monument and historic=me