Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-05 Thread Warin
On 06/07/19 02:28, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: On 7/5/2019 10:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I don't think it would be necessary to combine "bbq=no" and "bring_own_bbq=yes" - if a feature such as a leisure=picnic_site is tagged "bring_own_bbq=yes" that is sufficient. The tag "bbq=no", like most

Re: [Tagging] one feature one element

2019-07-05 Thread Warin
On 05/07/19 19:57, Mariusz wrote: On 05.07.2019 07:05, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I've removed this statement from the page because it leads to ambiguous data and directly contradicts the One feature per one element rule [Examples of bad situations:] "An area object representing a single-use

Re: [Tagging] Maxweight wiki page changes

2019-07-05 Thread Warin
On 05/07/19 19:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 3 Jul 2019, 12:52 by o...@westnordost.de: 1.1 At the examples: for max empty weight, I propose the key maxemptyweight. It suggests itself. Added, with link back to this post Here that would be called "maximum Tare weight". In the UK?

Re: [Tagging] New sections added to "Good Practice" page?

2019-07-05 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:33 PM bkil wrote: > Be my guest: > intermittent=yes > ephemeral=yes > building=no > permanent=no > movable=yes > stationary=no > caravan=yes > mount=trailer > support=wheels > foundation=no > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_restaurant >

Re: [Tagging] shared planter where you can harvest for free

2019-07-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 5 July 2019, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > On 7/5/2019 3:08 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > > > I read joost's comment as "The operator of this map object is a > > specific private citizen" > > not as a redefinition of "operator." > > > Hah, probably. Regardless, I do think that Les Incroyables >

Re: [Tagging] one feature one element

2019-07-05 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 05.07.19 11:57, Mariusz wrote: > On 05.07.2019 07:05, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> [Examples of bad situations:] "An area object representing a >> single-use building with a point object inside it. Move the tags to >> the area object and delete the point." > > This is common and widly accepted

Re: [Tagging] shared planter where you can harvest for free

2019-07-05 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/5/2019 3:08 PM, Paul Allen wrote: I read joost's comment as "The operator of this map object is a specific private citizen" not as a redefinition of "operator." Hah, probably. Regardless, I do think that Les Incroyables Comestibles/Incredible Edibles fits better under the brand key, or

Re: [Tagging] shared planter where you can harvest for free

2019-07-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 19:40, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > On 7/5/2019 12:18 PM, joost schouppe wrote: > > > Operator is actually "a specific private citizen" > > What's the source of this definition? On the English wiki, operator is > "a company, corporation, person or any other entity who is

Re: [Tagging] shared planter where you can harvest for free

2019-07-05 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/5/2019 12:18 PM, joost schouppe wrote: Operator is actually "a specific private citizen" What's the source of this definition? On the English wiki, operator is "a company, corporation, person or any other entity who is directly in charge of the current operation of a map object." J

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-05 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/5/2019 10:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I don't think it would be necessary to combine "bbq=no" and "bring_own_bbq=yes" - if a feature such as a leisure=picnic_site is tagged "bring_own_bbq=yes" that is sufficient. The tag "bbq=no", like most tags with value "no", can be omitted. This is

Re: [Tagging] shared planter where you can harvest for free

2019-07-05 Thread joost schouppe
Thanks for the help! I wouldn't want to lose the "Les Incroyables Comestibles" info, so as to be able to group them by project. But maybe brand=* is the better tag for that. Operator is actually "a specific private citizen", so that'd be operator:type=private or maybe community if it is actually

Re: [Tagging] one feature one element

2019-07-05 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/4/2019 11:17 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: We've also had problems with features tagged "tourism=camp_site" or "landuse=meadow" plus "barrier=hedge" or "barrier=wall". Is the barrier supposed to be an area or a linear feature in this case? I can see the confusion here, but I think this rule

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I don't think it would be necessary to combine "bbq=no" and "bring_own_bbq=yes" - if a feature such as a leisure=picnic_site is tagged "bring_own_bbq=yes" that is sufficient. The tag "bbq=no", like most tags with value "no", can be omitted. There might be times when there is "bbq=yes" and

Re: [Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-05 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/5/2019 2:16 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: So, what's a better term for a test prep centre, cramp school, or tutoring office? There the rarely used tag office=tutoring, but that doesn't quite cover a place like Kaplan or Kumon - https://au.kumonglobal.com/ - https://www.kaptest.com/

Re: [Tagging] New sections added to "Good Practice" page?

2019-07-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 10:42, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I added it to > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/street_vendor%3Dyes=1874089=1871846 > but I still prefer street_vendor > I found out yesterday there are also mobile post offices. I was surprised. Comes

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-05 Thread marc marc
Le 03.07.19 à 17:17, Jmapb via Tagging a écrit : > bbq:grills=yes/no/1+ or device=* (already approved tag do describe the number of same devices) ? > bbq:bring_own=yes/no or equiped=yes/no : the bbq is always there or it's an allowed but not-equiped area and you need to bring your own ?

Re: [Tagging] Reservation= or booking= for campsites etc? and train

2019-07-05 Thread marc marc
The other major use booking=* with *!=booking.com concerns trains in or passing through France, I talked about it on talk-fr and transport (the French-speaking transit mailing). no one has so far opposed to move those in reservation=*, but I will wait a few more days before modifying these

Re: [Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-05 Thread Philip Barnes
The issue I see with prep school is that it can be very easily confused with a Preparatory School, commonly referred to as a Prep School. I believe the term is used in both British and American English, i.e. Prepy. Phil (trigpoint) On Friday, 5 July 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I followed a

Re: [Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-05 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
School=education is extraneous as a school implies an educational institution. If you looked at education reform proposal, you would see education=school. Cram schools are sufficiently different than academic schools that amenity=school will not fit. Yours, faithfully Erkin Alp

Re: [Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-05 Thread marc marc
Le 05.07.19 à 10:53, 石野貴之 a écrit : > My proposal is the following: > 1. Use a well-documented tag for the main tag. I think > office=educational_institution would be the best, but office=* is for office related stuff the place where the staff do "office activities" can get an office=* But i

Re: [Tagging] one feature one element

2019-07-05 Thread Mariusz
On 05.07.2019 07:05, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I've removed this statement from the page because it leads to ambiguous data and directly contradicts the One feature per one element rule [Examples of bad situations:] "An area object representing a single-use building with a point object inside it.

Re: [Tagging] New sections added to "Good Practice" page?

2019-07-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
1 Jul 2019, 18:41 by pla16...@gmail.com: > > equivalent of a mobile shop, and I'm not even sure there is one. > > Mobile=yes|no has the problem of confusion with cell phones. > > BTW, there's a fast food outlet near me set up in a shipping container at the > side of a road. > Theoretically

Re: [Tagging] Maxweight wiki page changes

2019-07-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
3 Jul 2019, 12:52 by o...@westnordost.de: > 1.1 At the examples: for max empty weight, I propose the key maxemptyweight. > It suggests itself. > Added, with link back to this post > 1.2 At the examples: Conditionals should maybe better be catch-all, so i.e. > axles>=3 instead of axles=3 >

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-05 Thread marc marc
Le 03.07.19 à 03:10, brad a écrit : > Thoughts? 4) use smoothness if it suits your needs better without changing the meaning of a tag used elsewhere in your region ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-05 Thread marc marc
Le 03.07.19 à 03:10, brad a écrit : > Thoughts? 4) use smoothness if it suits your needs better without changing the meaning of a tag used elsewhere in your region ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-05 Thread 石野貴之
Hello. Tagging schemes for cram schools and tutorial centers have been discussed very often, but none of the discussion got to the solid conclusion. I am strongly concerned about the situation, and requested for comments on my diary. ML:

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I believe smoothness=* is very important in dry areas, including most of the western USA in summertime (when most people visit remote areas on track roads). But a road that is very smooth, dry clay in summer, for example an unimproved track across a dry lakebed, will become impassible mud after a

[Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I followed a link from amenity=school to amenity=prep_school, which was only as stub with the text "Tutorial schools" and description="Tutor school". Taghistory shows it has been used since 2012, slowly increasing to a few hundred uses since 2018, but had no wiki page still March 2019. However,