Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 7:08 PM Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 19:55, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 6:51 PM Jarek Piórkowski > wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 19:45, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 6:14 PM Yaro Shkvoret

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 19:55, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 6:51 PM Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> >> On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 19:45, Paul Johnson wrote: >> > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 6:14 PM Yaro Shkvorets wrote: >> >> That passage should be rewritten. That's certainly not the c

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 6:51 PM Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 19:45, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 6:14 PM Yaro Shkvorets > wrote: > >> That passage should be rewritten. That's certainly not the common > practice. > >> I personally tag `highway=cycleway` whe

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 19:45, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 6:14 PM Yaro Shkvorets wrote: >> That passage should be rewritten. That's certainly not the common practice. >> I personally tag `highway=cycleway` where bikes significantly outnumber foot >> traffic, `highway=footway` w

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 6:14 PM Yaro Shkvorets wrote: > That passage should be rewritten. That's certainly not the common practice. > I personally tag `highway=cycleway` where bikes significantly outnumber > foot traffic, `highway=footway` where foot traffic significantly outnumbers > bikes, `hig

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Yaro Shkvorets
That passage should be rewritten. That's certainly not the common practice. I personally tag `highway=cycleway` where bikes significantly outnumber foot traffic, `highway=footway` where foot traffic significantly outnumbers bikes, `highway=path` for the rest. If you need to explicitly disallow bike

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Jmapb
On 1/28/2020 4:49 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Be that as it may, there are a great many `highway=path` objects where the intent was `combined foot- and cycleway`. The concept that a `footway` is urban while a `path` represents something more like a wilderness trail is a rather new one to me. (I'm no

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/01/2020 22:44, Dave F via Tagging wrote: On 28/01/2020 21:23, Tomas Straupis wrote:    Yet for ten years ... I think your mistaken ... If it helps, someone on anther OSM list went through the previous times this has been discussed and came up with https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pi

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-28 Thread Warin
Healthcare is a 'new' key. Of course it is going to have less use than the older tags. It is not all about numbers, but also a logical system. The key amenity is not that logical, it includes many different types of things. Logically a road is an amenity yet OSM excludes them from the key amen

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 28/01/2020 21:23, Tomas Straupis wrote: Yet for ten years or even more the logic was that... Are there any reasons why this must change now? Any benefits? I think your mistaken in your timeline. Cycleway & footway were around before path was introduced to cover the misinterpretation

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 1/28/2020 4:23 PM, Tomas Straupis wrote: > >Yet for ten years or even more the logic was that if the same way is > > designated for both pedestrians and cyclists, it cannot be tagged with > > highway=footway - as it is for cyclists as well, it cannot be tagged > > with highway=cycleway becau

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 02:35, Jmapb wrote: > > At some point it appeared to me that iD was automatically adding the > equivalent healthcare=* tags to some amenities -- but it may have > actually been iD's "branding" bot that did that, matching amenities with > certain names. > iD also brings up

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Jmapb
On 1/28/2020 4:23 PM, Tomas Straupis wrote: Yet for ten years or even more the logic was that if the same way is designated for both pedestrians and cyclists, it cannot be tagged with highway=footway - as it is for cyclists as well, it cannot be tagged with highway=cycleway because it is for p

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Tomas Straupis
2020-01-28, an, 20:15 Jmapb rašė: > Thanks for the background. Looks like Richard Fairhurst already reverted the > "shared foot/bicycle must be path" assertion on the cycleway=* page. J Yet for ten years or even more the logic was that if the same way is designated for both pedestrians and cycl

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-28 Thread Robert Skedgell
On 26/01/2020 12:35, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Florimond Berthoux wrote: >> How to map a continuous sidewalk or cycleway ? > > A couple of ideas were posted in connection with the London cycle > infrastructure database: > > https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues/30 > https://gi

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-28 Thread Robert Skedgell
On 24/01/2020 10:35, Peter Elderson wrote: > highway=give_way would not map the situation, just the priority. Maybe > it's just me, but I think highway=give_way is an unclear tag. Who gives > way to who, in what direction? I imagine that is why the wiki lists direction=forward|backward as a usefu

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tax free shopping

2020-01-28 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi everyone, I finally set the status to "voting" of the tax-free proposal. This ends on 2020-02-15 (a bit more than two weeks). https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tax_free_shopping Thanks for all the feedback and happy voting. Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digi

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-28 Thread Florimond Berthoux
We do now: Le sam. 25 janv. 2020 à 23:51, Volker Schmidt a écrit : > Florimond, > > already in your otherwise interesting map that you presented in > Heidelberg, you do not consider all categories: > 1) sidewalk > (cycleway on a sidewalk ? there is no specified tag for that afaik) 2) cycleway >

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-28 Thread Jmapb
On 1/27/2020 3:53 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: The same user also changed the Australian tagging guidelines without discussion, which we didn't notice till last October: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-October/013009.html and they were reverted. Didn't notice at the time th

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-28 Thread Jmapb
On 1/28/2020 9:23 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: The pages are nearly identical. Actually, the healthcare=pharmacy page was just made recently by copying the amenity=pharmacy page. Before it was only documented minimally at Key:healthcare I believe the mappers who developed the healthcare=* schem

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The pages are nearly identical. Actually, the healthcare=pharmacy page was just made recently by copying the amenity=pharmacy page. Before it was only documented minimally at Key:healthcare > Is the dispensing tag also suggested for the healthcare pharmacies? > __

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
There could be different kinds of pharmacy, e.g. with dispensing=yes and no. Is the dispensing tag also suggested for the healthcare pharmacies? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/ta

[Tagging] charging station cabels

2020-01-28 Thread Christian Pietzsch
Hello, working on charging stations right now, I noticed that some way of tagging is missing to determine whether the charging station has a cord or is just a simple wall box and you have to bring your own. I'd like to discuss it here: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=775442#p77544

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-28 Thread marc marc
Le 28.01.20 à 13:45, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > I think it would be reasonable to show healthcare=pharmacy, > healthcare=hospital, healthcare=dentist and healthcare=doctor as > discouraged and unnecessary in the wiki. you take 2 tags out of their context, these 2 tags have their logic in the hop

[Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It came to my attention that healthcare=pharmacy is almost only used in addition to the more common tag amenity=pharmacy: 99.7% of healthcare=pharmacy features are also tagged with amenity=pharmacy: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=healthcare&value=pharmacy#combinations The situation i