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This is USA-specific in the example I now offer, though notable nonetheless in
this context: there are routes, such as United States Bicycle Routes, which
after they are Approved (by AASHTO), are, in a legal sense, "designated."
However, some states have an aggressive signage program (MUTCD
On Apr 29, 2024, at 6:15 PM, Natfoot wrote:
> But if a trail, road, or cycle tract does not have route markers for use then
> no route=* even if designated.
> -natfoot
I'm nodding my head so far at what I see here. I appreciate Natfoot's reminder
about routes: we're not exactly talking
But if a trail, road, or cycle tract does not have route markers for use
then no route=* even if designated.
-natfoot
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 17:33 Andrew Harvey wrote:
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>
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 at 09:04, stevea wrote:
>
>> In my mind "designated" means "for this infrastructure / mode-of-travel
On 30/04/2024 9:59 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 at 09:04, stevea wrote:
In my mind "designated" means "for this infrastructure /
mode-of-travel pair, DO use this." Like legislatively or because a
sign says so and quotes a local ordinance or traffic code statute.
"We built
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 at 09:04, stevea wrote:
> In my mind "designated" means "for this infrastructure / mode-of-travel
> pair, DO use this." Like legislatively or because a sign says so and
> quotes a local ordinance or traffic code statute. "We built this, use
> it." (Say, for your own safety
It has no sense to inflating classifications of every island in the word for
being the most important road in respective island.
If a neighbor garage is more quieter than the mine is not a justification to
elevate road classification of one of them to compensate this difference.
The highway=*
And
"should" or "must" (use this infrastructure with this mode-of-travel)
more-or-less = "designated."
Finally,
"can" more-or-less = "yes."
That's a lot of quotes, but I think you get the drift.
> On Apr 29, 2024, at 4:02 PM, stevea wrote:
>
> In my mind "designated" means "for this
In my mind "designated" means "for this infrastructure / mode-of-travel pair,
DO use this." Like legislatively or because a sign says so and quotes a local
ordinance or traffic code statute. "We built this, use it." (Say, for your
own safety and/or comfort).
With "yes" you certainly can use
On 29/04/2024 16:22, Jass Kurn wrote:
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 at 10:03, Peter Neale via Tagging
wrote:
It is "bicycles=yes" and not "bicycles=designated" because, for a
bridleway https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway
"Cyclists also have a right, unless the
That doesn't seem very helpful for cycling users of the map or its routers.
If there is a blue round sign with a bicycle on it, I'd call that
designated, or a blue rectangular one. Or the pavement is in a pinkish
colour (here in Belgium). If I find a sandy track in the forest, where it's
obvious
Am Mo., 29. Apr. 2024 um 16:25 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org>:
> (second note also may benefit from fix as the most important in
> Vatican is not highway=trunk - though again, maybe it can be avoided
> via "Vatican has no road network system").
>
the
Am Mo., 29. Apr. 2024 um 16:06 Uhr schrieb Fernando Trebien <
fernando.treb...@gmail.com>:
> > why you think that place=hamlet are automatically entitled to
> > highway=tertiary?
>
> The wiki emphasizes the highway classification should consider the
> relative importance of roads within regional
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 at 10:03, Peter Neale via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> It is "bicycles=yes" and not "bicycles=designated" because, for a
> bridleway https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway
> "Cyclists also have a right, unless the local authority makes
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 4:58 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> 1) at least some people may be interested in places where cycling across
> steps is legal (not fan of MTBing etc but at least some people like it?
> not really sure here about whether it is
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 at 20:14, Juan Pablo Tolosa Sanzana
wrote:
> Firstly, the unclassified value is used also to linking with hamlets
> according Key:highway.
As I mentioned earlier, this is a contradiction in the wiki that
should be addressed. The text of Tag:highway=tertiary does not match
Apr 28, 2024, 02:56 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 14:46, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
>
>> If very big island has no roads at all except single small road between
>> two houses it does not mean it is highway=trunk road.
>>
>
> I agree, but note that the
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 at 08:02, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
wrote:
> Apr 28, 2024, 22:50 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
>
> 3. If they are hamlets, shouldn't the main routes connecting them be
> mapped as highway=tertiary, based on the definitions in the wiki? [1]
> [1]
1) true, but wouldn't that by default be all steps unless otherwise
noted? I guess in this case it's assumed that the steps inherit their
implicit access from bridleway, so that might be different from the
general case...?
2) a noble cause, but again I would think that excluding bicycle=no from
On 28/04/2024 23:09, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
... how do horses handle the steps in the bridleway?
better than cyclists :)
Lots of historic bridleways in hilly areas in England are quite steep,
and often steps have been added for foot access to stop hikers sliding
down the slope. Sometimes
Apr 28, 2024, 22:50 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:
> 3. If they are hamlets, shouldn't the main routes connecting them be
> mapped as highway=tertiary, based on the definitions in the wiki? [1]
> [1] > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10078630
>
why you think that place=hamlet are
1) at least some people may be interested in places where cycling across
steps is legal (not fan of MTBing etc but at least some people like it?
not really sure here about whether it is actually something that people
look for )
2) people may be interested in places where cyclists nominally have
Thanks, all!
Graeme
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 at 18:06, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
>
>
> Am Mo., 29. Apr. 2024 um 09:47 Uhr schrieb Jo :
>
>> I was wondering about that myself. They seem to be 'long' steps. So a
>> horse wouldn't have too much trouble with them.
>>
>
>
>
> there is this property
Horses are good at handling various obstacles.
If you can find a local 'horse trial' go along and look. Yes it is a
competition... But I don't map them as they are usually on private
property.
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Hi,
It is my understanding, from the Wiki at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle, that "bicycles=yes" means that
bicycles are permitted, but says nothing about the ease of riding one there.
It is "bicycles=yes" and not "bicycles=designated" because, for a bridleway
Hi,
They are, indeed, quite "long". I do not own a horse, nor have I seen one use
this section of bridleway, however, I guess that, with each step having only a
modest "rise" and a long "run", horses should have little difficulty walking up
or down them, just as we do.
key:flat_step *might*
Am Mo., 29. Apr. 2024 um 09:47 Uhr schrieb Jo :
> I was wondering about that myself. They seem to be 'long' steps. So a
> horse wouldn't have too much trouble with them.
>
there is this property which might be applying:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:flat_steps
I was wondering about that myself. They seem to be 'long' steps. So a horse
wouldn't have too much trouble with them. Also parallel with it on the
other side of the small river there is a cycleway with no steps. That one
is on Mapillary.
Jo
Op ma 29 apr 2024 om 00:15 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick :
Am So., 28. Apr. 2024 um 16:40 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend :
> Assuming we're talking about something that's signed as a "Public
> Bridleway" in England and Wales*, then at the most basic level there are
> two tags to consider:
>
>- highway=steps
>- designation=public_bridleway
>
> The
Generally speaking, how do we reconcile these two?
bicycle=yes
highway=steps
What is a data consumer supposed to infer from this as opposed to just
highway=steps? As long as foot=designated, aren't cyclists always
allowed to get off the bike and push/carry it? And wouldn't they have to
when
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