Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It sounds like "Sled Harbor" is a trailhead, a place where you leave a vehicle to start hiking on a footpath, or where you are picked up in a vehicle after your hike, correct? A few months ago we discussed the tag highway=trailhead - used over 1500 times: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3A

[Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

2019-04-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
We recently discussed place=locality, and I now believe this tag should be avoided, and perhaps deprecated. To summarize, most of these features were added in North America from GNIS imports; almost 20% are in Alaska alone (>200,000!), and they were used for all sorts of features that are not popu

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
he didn't even > bother to redraw the horrible PGS coastline to separate them into > individual islands. > > Alaska has hundreds of these island groups. > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 7:12 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 15/04/19 22:04, Joseph Ei

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
That's a challenging one, but it's possible to use a lifecycle prefix like proposed:aeroway=aerodrome or abandoned=yes? If 2 prefixes can be added, you could use abandoned:proposed:aeroway=aerodrome But I wonder if people are talking about the former proposed airstrip when they refer to this loca

[Tagging] Place=archipelago wiki page update

2019-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've just updated the wiki page for the in-use tag "place=archipelago". The main changes are: - Described an archipelago as a named chain, cluster or group of closely related islands - warning against creating giant multipolygons by mapping the whole Philippines as a single multipolygon relation -

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Those are good points. I’ve created stub wiki pages for Key:abandoned:place and Key:disused:place - please edit if you have things to add. On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 2:15 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:49 PM Volker Schmidt wrote: > >> A side remark. Triggered by comparing aband

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Can you give an example of one of these groups of named islands? If they are close together and divided from other islands in the area, I would use “archipelago”. And multipolygons should be used for any feature that consists of several areas. Islands always qualify as an area, so there’s no need

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> I'm certain the gold rushes Alaska experienced > during the past 150 years contributed to many of these abandoned "Populated > Places". I've checked, and I don't see any tag like "historic=campsite" or similar. This could account for many of the named places I know in my home area in Northern Ca

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
On 4/15/19, Lionel Giard wrote: > In Belgium (where i map), we generally use this tag for place without > population ... like a crossroads I would suggest highway=junction with name=* > a field landuse=meadow or =farmland with name=* > part of a forest natural=wood with name=* > some hills

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ocality... under 'when not to >> use' with the others there. >> / >> / >> On 15/04/19 17:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> >>> >>> sent from a phone >>> >>> On 15. Apr 2019, at 03:55, Joseph Eisenberg >>>

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> There are countless old settlements, gold mining camps, road building > camps, airstrips, and even Native American villages scattered around our > immense state. Most are indeed abandoned and sometimes I add abandoned=yes > to the tags, especially if there is no longer any sign of habitation > vi

Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
of features. This is computationally expensive, which is slow and costly for the servers. On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 5:12 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 15. Apr 2019, at 03:14, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > So in case of option 2

[Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Currently place=locality is main in the database from imports, and it is also used as a way to tag a feature which is not currently rendered by most map renders so that the name will show. Since place=locality was originally defined as "a named place that has no population" it's easy to see how th

Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Gates can be mapped as nodes, so the fence or hedge or wall can be mapped as a single way that goes around the field, and the gates or stiles as nodes of that way. I agree with everyone who says that it is best practice to map a "barrier=hedge" as separate feature from a "landuse=meadow", but in r

Re: [Tagging] Was barrier=jersey_barrier approved in a proposal?

2019-04-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thanks! I usually browse the wiki with images turned off to save on data (I pay $20 per Gigabyte), so sometimes I miss these things. I wish all the important images had an alt-text. On 4/14/19, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 14.04.19 11:56, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> Thanks, Martin! I coul

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Martin, do you have a suggestion for a different key or value for this tag? I mentioned "tourism=camp_pitch" or "amenity=camp_pitch" above, but I think this could cause people to start using this as a stand-alone feature, perhaps for small or remote campsites that have only one pitch. However, I d

Re: [Tagging] Was barrier=jersey_barrier approved in a proposal?

2019-04-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Great. Thank you On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 9:45 PM ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: > On 14/04/2019 10:56, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Can anyone from England confirm that this tag is intelligible in your > > dialect? Are there other names for these that should be mentioned on > > t

Re: [Tagging] Was barrier=jersey_barrier approved in a proposal?

2019-04-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 14. Apr 2019, at 04:43, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > I want to know so that the wiki page can be edited to show the correct > status: approved vs in use. > > > > I went back into the archives and it see

Re: [Tagging] tags for a live stock sale yard

2019-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I saw that proposal, but it seems to be discussing auction houses that sell goods from estates, or collectibles, rather than a commodity auction. For a livestock auction, I would suggest using amenity=auction or amenity=auction_house with auction=livestock. But there do seem to be some marketplac

Re: [Tagging] Was barrier=jersey_barrier approved in a proposal?

2019-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
suspect “Jersey Barrier” is American only. On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 7:28 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 12. Apr 2019, at 02:03, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > , but I would like to know if this was every discussed > > &g

[Tagging] Fwd: [OSM-talk] [Wiki] Proposed wiki policy - Voting - Deletion policy

2019-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This was posted to OSM-talk but is relevant to tagging and the proposal process --Forwarded message From: Tigerfell We would like to invite you to voting in the case of the proposed Deletion policy for wiki pages and files [1]. As you might have noticed, there were conflicts based on r

Re: [Tagging] tags for a live stock sale yard

2019-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In the USA these often operate as auctions, but shop=auction is rarely used and doesn’t seem right. On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 4:45 AM bkil wrote: > I also have a need for this, so please share what scheme you come up > with, or you could even submit a proposal. I recommend this one: > > amenity=m

[Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Question: Will mappers understand if adding or taking away "area=yes" from a closed way changes the rendering? Background: Right now the wiki pages for barrier=wall and barrier=hedge allow these features to be mapped as an area, but the closed way is supposed to have the tag "area=yes" added to ma

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
For campgrounds, campsites and tourism=caravan_site the most commonly used tag is camp_site=reception, over 1000 uses but it was only part of an old proposal. On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 8:01 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are 457 uses of booking=* in the data base. I have used it on

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
"an armchair mapper should add access=unknown to the tagging" I certainly don't do this when mapping from aerial imagery, and neither of the editors that I've used (ID and JOSM) have suggest adding "access=unknown" to a newly mapped path. My understanding is that highway=path is rather problemati

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that "camp_site=camp_pitch" isn't a perfect tag name, but it's been used so often that I don't think it's worth changing. It's already supported with a preset in ID as well. As mentioned in the older version of the proposal, the value is "camp_pitch" to avoid ambiguity with sporting pitche

[Tagging] Difference between barrier=embankment and man_made=embankment?

2019-04-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag barrier=embankment was not part of the original barriers proposal and does not have a wiki page, but it is used 4750 times: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/barrier=embankment However, man_made=embankment is well-documented and used over 80,000 times: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w

[Tagging] Was barrier=jersey_barrier approved in a proposal?

2019-04-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The page for barrier=jersey_barrier says it is an approved tag. It's certainly commonly used, but I can't find a proposal page for it. It was not included on the list in the 2008 Barriers proposal, and the wiki page was created only in 2014. I suspect it's a de facto tag, but it's hard to search th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
me families, in most cases On 4/11/19, Sven Geggus wrote: > Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > >> I assume these are caravan or motorhome sites? > > Yep mostly caravans with wheels removed and awnings. > >> But I think that a place with "permanent_camping=only" is mistagg

Re: [Tagging] golf_cart=permit? | Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Key:golf_cart

2019-04-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I'd recommend trying to eliminate the parenthesis, because it would be easier to understand if it can be read straight through. Also, I don't quite understand the last phrase: > "because only the rightholders are given permission based on individual > discretion." Who are the "rightholders"? Wh

Re: [Tagging] golf_cart=permit? | Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Key:golf_cart

2019-04-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Isn't it normally to need a license and registration for any type of motor vehicle? I've read that in Japan you even have to show proof of access to a parking spacing before buying or registering a car in the city. Are these golf cart permits only given out sparingly via a lottery system, rather

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Most camping sites on government land in the USA only allow people to stay for 2 weeks at a time, so it’s not only about the operating season. On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 7:59 PM marc marc wrote: > Le 11.04.19 à 12:00, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > > The tags permanent_campin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
On 4/11/19, Sven Geggus wrote: > At least here in Germany most campsites have different pitches for short > term or long term campers. > > While the former ones usually stay for a few days or weeks only, the latter > ones are more or less permanent residents which pay on a seasonal base > rather t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Hi Sven, > Any reason for using a "camp_pitch:" prefix/namespace instead of generic > tagging? I believe you are commenting on the "Key:camp_pitch" proposal, which I posted about one day after the Camp_site=camp_pitch proposal. It's easy to get them mixed up. I did it just this morning myself! >

Re: [Tagging] Residential=rural, =urban?

2019-04-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t; On 11 Apr 2019, at 08:45, Ture Pålsson wrote: > > > > 2019-04-10 10:28 a écrit Joseph Eisenberg: > >> [...] > >> Does anyone feel like doing some research into how these tags is > >> actually used, so that the wiki page can match? Or has anyone used > &

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Subkey camp_pitch:*

2019-04-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thank you for your comments, Graeme > aren't you duplicating everything that exists under the > tourism=camp_site & caravan_site pages ? This proposal is for designating features that are available at individual spots for one tent or one caravan (normally, although I suppose a group tent site cou

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Subkey camp_pitch:*

2019-04-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
As requested, I've moved the subkeys for camp_pitch:*= to their own proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:camp_pitch This page now includes the 9 namespaced keys that were created in 2015 as part of the original Camp Site Pitch proposal. These are intended to be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Tod, I have already updated the Key:camp_site page with a longer description of this tag, camp_site=camp_pitch tag, because it is the most common value of camp_site=*. The reasons for the proposal instead of just making a wiki page: 1) To clarify that camp_site=pitch (1500 uses) should be changed

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Key:golf_cart

2019-04-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I think “access=yes” and “motor_vehicle=yes” are the assumed default access values for highway=residential, so golf_cart=yes is probably the only access tag needed in that example On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 7:49 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 22:30, Paul Allen wrote: > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I mean tourism=camp_site, sorry for the confusion. On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:51 PM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > The current proposal suggests that this is useful to define individual > sites for tents or caravans within a larger leisure=camp_site area. >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
're on islands, or because they're on > trail-less lakeshore (and I at least don't want to push through the > mud and vegetation to get to them overland). > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 3:05 AM Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > I've restarted the pro

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Key:golf_cart

2019-04-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
amenity=parking features that have a golf_cart=designated tag. On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 9:30 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 00:22, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> >> Please comment: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Key:golf_cart

[Tagging] Residential=rural, =urban?

2019-04-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There is a page for residential=rural created in July 2015 without a proposal. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:residential%3Drural&action=history The page says: "residential=rural is a subtag of landuse=residential and is used to specify residential areas with low-rise reside

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've restarted the proposal process for camp_site=camp_pitch https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch This tag has already been used over 6800 times by over 380 mappers and is pretty well defined by the old proposal page from 2015 as an individual tent or caravan spot

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Key:golf_cart

2019-04-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The key "golf_cart" is currently in use for golf cart access restrictions. However, there is now a competing proposal to use golf=cartpath for golf cart paths, rather than highway=path or highway=service with golf_cart=designated. Therefore, I've made a proposal for the key golf_cart, which also r

Re: [Tagging] Club key page changes

2019-04-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thanks! I’ve undone the changes to the club wiki page, and I will add a note about the historical proposal voting On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 7:16 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 9. Apr 2019, at 00:05, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Is this doc

Re: [Tagging] Club key page changes

2019-04-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I didn’t know this, thank you for the correction. Is this documented somewhere on the wiki about proposals? On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 12:08 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 8. Apr 2019, at 04:02, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > I n

[Tagging] Club key page changes

2019-04-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I noticed that the original proposal for the key "Club" had 13 votes in favor and 5 votes against, therefore it should have been considered "rejected" rather than "approved." I've made a note of this in the proposal page and changed the status for the wiki page to "in use" instead of "approved". -

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Runway Holding Positions

2019-03-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It would be easiest to add “holding_position=runway” to the existing “aeroway=holding_position” tag. This way, any database users who are already using “aeroway=holding_position” do not have their data broken, and he detail can be added incrementally BTW, why do you need the line mapped rather th

Re: [Tagging] shop=plumber vs shop=plumbing vs shop=plumbing_supplies

2019-03-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that the "craft" key should be used for places where craft work is done. It seems that https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Acraft%3Dplumber craft=plumber is already fairly well established with 4000 uses, and the page has been around since 2011. While "craft" seems imprecise for office

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes as relations?

2019-03-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This issue was recently brought up on the Openstreetmap-Carto Github page: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3726 where it was noted that piers that were tagged as part of a relation were being rendered incorrectly. Some of the maintainers suggested that the actual path of

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that the parking lot is part of the landuse. This is a good arguement for tagging landuse=religious forbtyh whole area, including parking lots, religious classrooms (eg Sunday School, Hebrew School etc), and religious office associated with the place of worship, while using amenity=place_of

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes as relations?

2019-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
What is the benefit of including the ferry building polygon in the relation? This is the part that Indknt understand. What is the use case for including this info in the relation? Joseph On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:40 AM marc marc wrote: > Le 24.03.19 à 00:19, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I believe that the form and functions of Mosques is variable. The original poster (Jean-Marc Liotier) said that they are mapping in the Sahel, the Muslim-majority region along the southern border of the Sahara desert in Africa. This is a semi-arid, tropical region where most people are Sunni muslim

[Tagging] Ferry routes as relations?

2019-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The current page for route=ferry (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route=ferry) mentions that ferry routes are usually tagged as ways, but can also be made with relations. However, it is not clear what should be included in the relation. Certainly the ways in the relation should connect one

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> "landcover = trees that is a tag for a wood where is not clear in which class > have to be considered the wood if natural or maintained by humans." Almost all woodland in the world have been modified by humans, even in the Amazon basin. I would recommend checking the existing areas of tagged wo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

2019-03-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The key “police” is not currently on the list of features that import as a polygon in osm2pgsql, when mapped as a closed way. So renderers and other database users that rely on osm2pgsql will need to add the “police” key to the lua transformations list and reimport the database. This is easy for

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage

2019-03-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> > > “The idea is to have mapathon in > > different time, when new imagery are > > available and after check what > > changed searching in the database > In this case you only need to map the area of woodland or forest now, and it’s no problem to leave other landuse and natural areas unmapped. B

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

2019-03-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Please don’t change the established meaning of amenity=police; it should keep meaning “a public police station”. Most database users are only going to be interested in public police stations, that’s why we’ve gotten by for over 10 years with just amenity=police. It’s fine if the police=* tag isn’

Re: [Tagging] Multipolygon (several outers) forest with different leaf_types: mapping strategy?

2019-03-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Normally we should map features that are “real” and “current”, and is easiest to do for things that can be observed in person. This suggests mapping each patch of trees as a separate polygon or closed way, based on having the same leaf_type and leaf_cycle. Usually it’s only necessary to use a mult

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tagging disputed boundaries

2019-03-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> “form a hidden, underground, group of motivated persons to draft proposals” 🤦‍♂️ I might support this if all men, Europeans, and people of European ancestry were excluded from this cabal of illuminati. 😂😁 [guilty as charged ☺️] Seriously though, it’s much more helpful if authors of proposals

Re: [Tagging] mapping large memorial objects that roads pass through.

2019-03-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
gt; Regards > > TonyS > > On 13/03/2019 08:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > > >> On 13. Mar 2019, at 01:35, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> > >> We considered man_made=gantry (which in general can be used > &

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tagging disputed boundaries

2019-03-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I thought the proposal was too complicated. This made it difficult to review, so I was reluctant to vite. I believe a simpler, more approachabke proposal would have a higher chance of success. I’d recommend reading all of the objections and trying again with a much simpler version. On Wed, Mar 13

Re: [Tagging] mapping large memorial objects that roads pass through.

2019-03-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Back in November and December we discussed this issue, but at a broader level: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-November/040928.html https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-December/041211.html I was asking about archways or gateways over the road leading into

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation

2019-03-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> “We will would like to map land cover in an area near the Amazonian forest” I’d recommend that you start by mapping the existing forested areas with natural=wood or landuse=forest, and areas of water with natural=water and water=lake / =river, or natural=wetland for swamps, marshes, mangroves, b

[Tagging] Large areas of landuse=grass in the Netherlands

2019-03-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It was recently noticed that most of the grassy rural areas around Utrecht in the Netherlands are tagged as landuse=grass. This is surprising, because these areas appear to be pasture or meadows, which would be tagged as landuse=meadow, or perhaps fallow farmland with a grass cover crop, which woul

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

2019-03-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> “in China some police divisions even managed to setup their own for-profit companies, like hospitals or construction companies, that would serve general public and compete in business environment in order to create additional revenue stream for their police division. I don't think it would be wis

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - police=*

2019-03-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> There are various 'prisons'. The OSM one is one kind. Police can have small ones they hold people in e.g. while drunk, or before sending on to court, courts can have their own too. In American English, that’s a jail. Usually these are for short-term detention, from one night to several months. C

[Tagging] Healthcare=counselling and healthcare=psychotherapist?

2019-03-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The healthcare wiki page has a number of subtags listed, but not all are well defined. In particular, the tags for behavioral health and psychology services are not very well organized. There is currently a list of options for more specific tags to use with healthcare=psychotherapy and healthcare=

Re: [Tagging] "satellit"

2019-03-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It's good that radio telescopes have been mentioned. While considering this issue, you should also take a look at towers with tower:type=communication and tower:construction=dish I'm not sure if it is sensible to tag a large satellite dish as a "tower" but that is currently an option that has been

Re: [Tagging] amenity=police

2019-03-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> maintain amenity=police for public-facing police station +1 for keeping the basic tag for police stations ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] leisure=common replacement for public areas with some trees

2019-03-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> over the top of residential area, so it will appear as a lighter patch of > green in between your buildings, & can have things such as playgrounds or > basketball hoops included inside it. This is not the original meaning of “Recreation Ground” in British English. A recreation ground in England

Re: [Tagging] Sharps / syringe disposal

2019-02-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I’m a physician. Sharps boxes are designed for safe disposal of all sharp medical waste, whether a scalpel, needle or broken glass. I asked a British doctor, and she confirms that “sharps” is also the correct term in England. Syringes are not sharp. It’s the needle (which may be attached to a syr

Re: [Tagging] tagging a public waste incinerator complex

2019-02-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> shouldn’t we be tagging *all of these* as man_made=incinerators Yes, I agree this would be helpful. I imagine that most incinerators are built primarily to dispose of trash. The electrical generation is a side-benefit but probably doesn’t pencil out financially alone. On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:

Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

2019-02-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I’d use waste=medication, but I’m an American. Perhaps “medicine” is appropriate British English? On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:19 AM Clifford Snow wrote: > Yes, a typo on my part. > > Sent from my Android phone. > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 5:23 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> sent fro

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> The question asked is "Is this street accessible for pedestrians here?". > It doesn't ask for the user's opinion on how safe it is. > I believe this is the wrong question. It should be “Are pedestrians legally prohibited from walking along this road?” If so, use foot=no Foot=yes should only be

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Legally and practically, all roads are open to pedestrians unless there is a specific prohibition. Walking is considered a basic right, and practically it is difficult to stop people from walking anywhere. Motorways are the only exception in most countries. In rural parts of the USA even motorway

Re: [Tagging] transaction parameters for ATMs

2019-02-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
d on your card and your affiliation with the > bank. > > This impairs verifiability on the ground of the information. > On 2/14/19, 03:45 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> <61sundow...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> The maximum may also be limited by the card provider. Nee

Re: [Tagging] transaction parameters for ATMs

2019-02-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I’m surprised to hear this about ATMs in Europe. In Southeast Asia and in the USA, usually the ATM will only allow a certain max withdrawal. It’s also uncommon to have more than one denomination (though some do have 2 types). Perhaps this tag can’t be used in all countries, but it could still be

Re: [Tagging] transaction parameters for ATMs

2019-02-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Withdrawals are not the only type of ATM transaction. Perhaps max_withdrawal would be clearer? On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:57 AM Nathan Wyand wrote: > Hello mappers, > > I frequently use OSM to find ATM's near me, but many of these machines > place limits on how much can be withdrawn in 1 transac

Re: [Tagging] tagging a public waste incinerator complex

2019-02-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> tag it with man_made=incinerator +1 On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:27 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 13. Feb 2019, at 05:26, John Willis via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > I tagged it as a waste transfer station & power generator (for > consis

Re: [Tagging] tree rows vs individual trees

2019-02-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> Better rendering of tree_row on OSM Carto Please go to http://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/new and explain the problems with the current rendering, then we can discuss how to fix it. On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 6:43 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > Netherlands have very extensive u

Re: [Tagging] tree rows vs individual trees

2019-02-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I’d recommend using the tree row tag alone in rural areas. A tree row is very similar to a hedge, though it is usually not a barrier. I hope we are not going to start mapping only rye individual shrubs that make up a hedge, or the individual trees that make up a woodland. If you do add the individ

Re: [Tagging] Mountain Ranges

2019-02-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
tain range, the main way should connect them. And if there are smaller side ridges, they can also be selected as part of the mountain range as long as they share one node with the natural=mountain_range way On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 8:14 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 09/02

Re: [Tagging] Mountain Ranges

2019-02-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Mountain ranges of continental length are usually made up of shorter, named ranges. I’d start by tagging the shorter ones. For extremely long ranges we would neeed to use relations, as is done for the 5000km long “Interstate” motorways in the USA and long rivers in all countries. Unfortunately,

Re: [Tagging] man_made=storage_tank for open containers?

2019-02-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In my dialect of American English, a tank would normally be fully enclosed, while an open container for liquids would be a pool or basin or pond? I’d like to keep “tank” for covered features. On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 8:21 AM Clifford Snow wrote: > I did create new thread about including other feat

Re: [Tagging] Mountain Ranges

2019-02-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thanks for working on this. I had been meaning to reopen the proposal. No need to introduce a new key. natural=mountain_range is fine, and has been in use. > To map: > - as a node - centred on the area > - a simple open way along hte spine of the range Yes, both of these are good. If a way is us

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Dictionary.com usually provides definitions in American English, so it wouldn’t be a good source. On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 8:35 AM Sergio Manzi wrote: > Please point me to a dictionary defining "drain" as a "lined ditch" or in > any way stating that a drain must be lined, because I tried and I fai

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Those descriptions look good On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 5:58 PM Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > Here is a summary of the discussion to check if there is a consensus. > > Current definitions of artificial waterways are unclear and ambiguous. > Some people assume that ditch and drain differ mainly in size

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
24 Jan 2019 at 12:09, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 24/01/19 12:50, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: >> >> It’s not possible to have “town” level services with less than 1000 >> people. A town has a major market (retail area) serving the surrounding >> are

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
university, and the airport only offers flights to one other city. But it’s a borderline case. Probably in 10 years it will clearly qualify On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:09 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 24/01/19 12:50, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > “an isolated "vill

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
“an isolated "village" with only a few hundred people in it, but which is the main centre for this area will be a town, & maybe even a city?” It’s not possible to have “town” level services with less than 1000 people. A town has a major market (retail area) serving the surrounding area, as well as

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> waterway=stream / river > railway=rail/narrow_gauge > highway=footway/pedestrian These are narrow linear features. It’s unreasonable and less helpful to map these as polygons when a simple linear way will do, so it’s good to have a way to show the difference. And there is also a big functional

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> It would be usefull to know that a scrub area is so dense that it cannot be walked through, yet another scrub area is so sparse that a fire cannot propagate without wind. I agree! Those definitions are a pretty good start. Probably it should relate to the density of the “canopy” of the main typ

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This idea of a wood or forest as a whole region, rather than the area that actually contains trees, may be culturally limited. I grew up in a town that was surrounded by national forest on all side, but the valley floor had some pasture and residential areas (300 people). Did we live in the forest

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
10:24 AM Sergio Manzi wrote: > Hi! > On 2019-01-23 02:10, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > The one thing that’s missing is a tag for the density of the main > vegetation type; is it a dense canopy of trees, or dense scrubland, verses > more widely spaced. > > Not only that (an

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
style made by Christoph, if you want to see an example of how this can look: http://blog.imagico.de/differentiated-rendering-of-woodland-in-maps/ And http://blog.imagico.de/more-on-vegetation-rendering-in-openstreetmap-maps/ On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 10:10 AM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> the only way I see in the Wiki is to use the leaf_type=* tag You can also use leaf_cycle= to tag deciduous vs evergreen, and also semi-deciduous, semi-evergreen and mixed: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:leaf_cycle This accounts for most types of woodland, along with leaf type. The rest

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
in an online traslation service and then stick that into the editor to find a tag. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 1:34 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 21/01/19 10:17, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > > The end to this madness is for renders to recognise that the > landuse=for

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> The end to this madness is for renders to recognise that the landuse=forest needs to be rendered differently from natural=wood. Until several years ago the “standard” style (Openstreetmap-Carto) did show a difference between landuse=forest and natural=wood. However, mappers used these two tags i

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