Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread seirra blake
kept in an opt in basis in case people don't want their names shown) On 3/15/19 5:54 PM, seirra blake wrote: key: almost tagging should occur here | data may be reused in parent | data may be reused in parent and any 'adjacent' (with the same letter) parent /public transport network

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread seirra blake
hmm maybe. version 4 will include a detailed example, once that is available feel free what would be missing for that purpose On 3/15/19 7:19 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: maybe we can have roles to state whether the tags of the referenced object should apply to the relation or if only the

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread seirra blake
hmm... I'm not quite sure on what would be best. I do see your point in the case of just splitting very long ways there, they would not be 'shared' at all. to the best of my knowledge type=* is intended to exclusively define the relation. in all circumstances that we have discussed, it still

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread seirra blake
as I'm concerned, the sequence of stops is the 'signature' defining each variation in itinerary. Polyglot On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 6:55 PM seirra blake mailto:sophietheopos...@yandex.com>> wrote: key: almost tagging should occur here | data may be reused in parent | data may be

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread seirra blake
) On 3/15/19 2:37 PM, seirra blake wrote: I can see *a lot* of shared routes in my area because most of the buses heavily use a star topography (everything must take you to a central station) as opposed to a hybrid mesh/star topography (everywhere has access to a service to a central station

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread seirra blake
. You would need to allow all types of route relations to contain ways and shared segment relations. I'm not sure if you would need any special tag to indicate it's shared. If it's used more than once, it's shared, right? Fr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 15 mrt. 2019 om 15:38 schreef seirra blake

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread seirra blake
to make sure it's clear what I meant. if you feel an example would help somewhat I'll make one too; it could be useful to see how renderers handle it now. let me know if you'd like a 'physical' example. On 3/15/19 3:00 PM, Jo wrote: Good analysis Seirra, I would not "reuse" route=roa

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread seirra blake
I can see *a lot* of shared routes in my area because most of the buses heavily use a star topography (everything must take you to a central station) as opposed to a hybrid mesh/star topography (everywhere has access to a service to a central station, but there are circular routes to allow

Re: [Tagging] Pets allowed

2019-03-09 Thread seirra blake
pet=permissive? although if the operator does straight out say 'pets allowed' without any further suggestion (be it images, small print or whatever) I guess it would be yes until proven otherwise or further explained/surveyed. if this does get put in an article it may be worth noting that it's

Re: [Tagging] Pets allowed

2019-03-08 Thread seirra blake
I'm guessing it depends on how specific the authority is. on the one hand you'd think it'd usually just be either birds or no birds however I imagine the distinction may still crop up. as I can't actually see any article saying about animals used as access tags, I imagine it's just tag as you

Re: [Tagging] Pets allowed

2019-03-08 Thread seirra blake
larity, but better fits source data. Il gio 7 mar 2019, 14:09 seirra blake <mailto:sophietheopos...@yandex.com>> ha scritto: while I can't see a problem with a tag for each pet, it may still make more sense to have a pets tag and just namespace species/related things

Re: [Tagging] Pets allowed

2019-03-08 Thread seirra blake
I never saw that in access before, but that actually makes a lot of sense. conditionals are somewhat underutilised where I live so I always forget about them, but that's a fair point On 3/7/19 9:58 PM, Warin wrote: On 08/03/19 00:07, seirra blake wrote: while I can't see a problem

Re: [Tagging] Pets allowed

2019-03-07 Thread seirra blake
while I can't see a problem with a tag for each pet, it may still make more sense to have a pets tag and just namespace species/related things under it similar to the access tag. use cases I can think of: * pets=no | no matter what, no pets * pets=yes | open to all or at least most pets

Re: [Tagging] transaction parameters for ATMs

2019-02-14 Thread seirra blake
some providers already make it publicly available knowledge. for example in the UK link ATM has an app, and you can use it to find nearby ATMs. most of the things it tells you are pretty standard, but some things that may need new tags are pin management services, audio assistance and £5 notes

Re: [Tagging] Tag an information panel

2019-01-19 Thread seirra
seconded, we have it here in the city centre, it's an electric LED display that shows the free spaces in real time (or just says full). in our case it is integrated into the road sign On 01/19/19 14:25, OSMDoudou wrote: > Tag the capacity of the car park itself. It's more useful. I think

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

2018-10-31 Thread seirra
this does feel like a much easier to understand idea now, it may be worth thinking of a way to still incorporate the interval in the second proposed feature, for example a local bus in my area has one every 10 minutes for a substantial amount of time. On 10/31/18 21:04, Leif Rasmussen wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

2018-08-31 Thread seirra
do you want to tag these properties? To my opinion, no one needs to justify tags regarding to usefulness, I'm just curios. Gesendet: Freitag, 31. August 2018 um 10:17 Uhr Von: seirra An: tagging@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity yeah that is what i

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

2018-08-31 Thread seirra
if these firms buy it directly from the network .. or some other body that then sees to the network and the power generators as separate things. On 31/08/18 17:43, seirra wrote: just something to mention about distribution companies here anyway, we have the network, then we have the company

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

2018-08-31 Thread seirra
just something to mention about distribution companies here anyway, we have the network, then we have the company? so for example my network is UK power network, but my company is utilita? however in other areas (still in the uk) they would have a different network altogether On 08/31/18

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

2018-08-29 Thread seirra
of a socket (and often all the same type) i imagine there might be a difficult overlap is all On 08/29/18 10:37, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote: Thanks seirra for pointing to power_supply. But I don't know if it can really be applied to individual private buildings? Because as far as I understand

Re: [Tagging] Tagging suggestions for electricity

2018-08-29 Thread seirra
you might find power_supply to be better suited as it is already documented https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power_supply it already covers all of those topics except for intermittent, although if it is relevant i don't see why you can't put it On 08/29/18 05:46, Dolly Andriatsiferana

Re: [Tagging] access/maintenance platforms

2018-08-27 Thread seirra
Johnson wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 06:36 seirra <mailto:gene...@sarifria.x10.bz>> wrote: hello, i was wondering what would be the best way to tag a metal platform? for example the metal staircases that are at times used for apartments/used for access/maintenance You mean

[Tagging] access/maintenance platforms

2018-08-27 Thread seirra
hello, i was wondering what would be the best way to tag a metal platform? for example the metal staircases that are at times used for apartments/used for access/maintenance ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] ATMs and cashback

2018-08-24 Thread seirra
, Aug 24, 2018 at 6:38 PM, seirra <mailto:gene...@sarifria.x10.bz>> wrote: i would imagine it would be better having some data over none though? Incomplete data is better than no data.  Incorrect data is worse than no data.  The problem with this is that incomplete (or even compl

Re: [Tagging] ATMs and cashback

2018-08-24 Thread seirra
after we got a consensus on tagging this. the cashback thing would make sense though right? that's relatively constant. For the ATMs do you think it would be better if we got a vote on it? On 08/24/18 17:58, Paul Allen wrote: On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 3:38 PM, seirra <mailto:gene...@sarifria.

Re: [Tagging] ATMs and cashback

2018-08-24 Thread seirra
i can confirm this to be the case. where i work the cashback procedure is indeed just a signature of the receipt. As far as i know ATMs that issue £5 notes tend to for a long time, i don't recall any here suddenly stopping. source on why it may be valuable information to some (note the small

[Tagging] ATMs and cashback

2018-08-24 Thread seirra
Is there a way to put what currency denomination they output? for example: whilst every cash machine here should theoretically output £20/£10 notes, there are a growing number that output £5 notes (obviously allowing the user to withdraw multiples of 5 rather than just multiples of 10). I

Re: [Tagging] delivery areas?

2018-08-23 Thread seirra
the database be with every delivery service was mapped? DaveF On 23/08/2018 16:34, seirra wrote: hello, i was wondering if there was any established way to record delivery areas? would i be correct to think relations would be the best method

[Tagging] delivery areas?

2018-08-23 Thread seirra
hello, i was wondering if there was any established way to record delivery areas? would i be correct to think relations would be the best method? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] areas of risk

2018-08-20 Thread seirra blake
yeah, if it did get mapped it should probably at least be something specific otherwise the user has no idea what to watch out for, and it may unreasonably deter people from the area, i think it might be the same reason reviews aren't recorded?outside of that i don't think osm performs live

Re: [Tagging] use of points even when it clearly defines a building?

2018-08-19 Thread seirra blake
oh okay yeah i get it! On Aug 17 2018, at 4:17 pm, Jmapb wrote: > > On 8/16/2018 6:39 PM, seirra wrote: > > if a floor of a building is for example: a store at the bottom of the > > building, and the rest is apartments... shouldn't it then be a > > building labelled as

Re: [Tagging] access:disabled... yes or designated?

2018-08-19 Thread seirra
: > > > sent from a phone > > On 19. Aug 2018, at 13:32, seirra (https://link.getmailspring.com/link/58d81cc2-f042-224a-fbae-fc49e84df...@sarifria.x10.bz/0?redirect=mailto%3Ageneral%40sarifria.x10.bz=dGFnZ2luZ0BvcGVuc3RyZWV0bWFwLm9yZw%3D%3D)> > wrote: > > i don't mean amen

Re: [Tagging] access:disabled... yes or designated?

2018-08-19 Thread seirra
i don't mean amenity=parking_space... i mean parking_space=disabled On 18/08/18 00:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 17. Aug 2018, at 09:45, seirra <mailto:gene...@sarifria.x10.bz>> wrote: is parking_space even a valid tag though?(i can't see any docu

Re: [Tagging] areas of risk

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
it is there and thus should be avoided (i hope i'm not offending, although i respect the final decision i really don't understand) On 08/17/18 18:30, Paul Johnson wrote: Then you're just splitting class and race hairs. On Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 11:20 seirra <mailto:gene...@sarifria.x10.bz>&

Re: [Tagging] double doors?

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
:10, seirra wrote: should these be split into two separate door elements, or should it be tagged as just a really wide door? Assuming we're talking about a hinged door with multiple wings, there's a proposed door:wings key with 178 uses at the time of writing. Using that, you would simply add

Re: [Tagging] tagging a gamesroom?

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
this was more somewhere with a dedicated room really On 08/17/18 14:29, Philip Barnes wrote: On Fri, 2018-08-17 at 13:04 +0100, seirra wrote: what should a games room (think things like darts, pool/snooker, card games) be tagged as? when i looked around i couldn't seem to find any official

Re: [Tagging] areas of risk

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
there can be notable areas though, outside of what may usually be expected On 08/17/18 16:03, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 16:35 seirra <mailto:gene...@sarifria.x10.bz>> wrote: hmmm i do see the point there about racial/class bias... i was thinking more ab

[Tagging] double doors?

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
should these be split into two separate door elements, or should it be tagged as just a really wide door? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] tagging a gamesroom?

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
what should a games room (think things like darts, pool/snooker, card games) be tagged as? when i looked around i couldn't seem to find any official consensus or unofficial for that matter ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] areas of risk

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 17. Aug 2018, at 00:25, seirra wrote: lives they say if someone sees your phone it gets stolen? so safety:phone=no could be a good example? like you have to take special care of your phone, but don’t worry for your money or your car, they’re only

Re: [Tagging] areas of risk

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
I was thinking more if a specific crime happens often enough to be attributed to a street/building. by overlaid I'm guessing you mean as in third party like mentioned earlier? On 08/17/18 00:36, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On 08/16/2018 02:32 PM, seirra wrote: Hello, i was wondering whether

Re: [Tagging] areas of risk

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
: On 17/08/18 08:25, seirra wrote: i did originally mean more for example if an area is known for a specific crime... listing it there? for example where a friend of mine lives they say if someone sees your phone it gets stolen? so safety:phone=no could be a good example? i can think of other

Re: [Tagging] use of points even when it clearly defines a building?

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 17. Aug 2018, at 00:39, seirra wrote: where a point clearly defines a building in these areas should it be corrected? also if a floor of a building is for example: a store at the bottom of the building, and the rest is apartments... shouldn't

Re: [Tagging] access:disabled... yes or designated?

2018-08-17 Thread seirra
be the only example of actual rendering, should we first see if we can get the developers to transition to rendering the disabled tag before we change it? On 08/17/18 00:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 17. Aug 2018, at 00:19, seirra wrote: also i saw some cases of ac

[Tagging] use of points even when it clearly defines a building?

2018-08-16 Thread seirra
oh! before i go to bed just one last one, when correcting some typos or wrong use of tagging i've noticed a few locations that used points rather than directly applying the feature to the building (as in no buildings having features at all as if it was an agreed style)... most notably: italy

Re: [Tagging] areas of risk

2018-08-16 Thread seirra
i did originally mean more for example if an area is known for a specific crime... listing it there? for example where a friend of mine lives they say if someone sees your phone it gets stolen? so safety:phone=no could be a good example? i can think of other examples such as specific streets

Re: [Tagging] access:disabled... yes or designated?

2018-08-16 Thread seirra
m>>: On 17/08/18 07:46, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > sent from a phone > >> On 16. Aug 2018, at 23:35, seirra mailto:gene...@sarifria.x10.bz>> wrote: >> >> should cases where yes was used be corrected to designated? or should

Re: [Tagging] access:disabled... yes or designated?

2018-08-16 Thread seirra
alright, when i get the time i'll correct them and link to this discussion, perhaps tomorrow if i remember On 08/16/18 22:46, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 16. Aug 2018, at 23:35, seirra wrote: should cases where yes was used be corrected to designated? or should

Re: [Tagging] access:disabled... yes or designated?

2018-08-16 Thread seirra
should cases where yes was used be corrected to designated? or should it be considered a stylistic choice? On 08/16/18 22:29, marc marc wrote: Le 16. 08. 18 à 21:42, seirra a écrit : another query, for access:disabled should the correct usage for a standard disabled parking space

Re: [Tagging] areas of risk

2018-08-16 Thread seirra
ink of class and racial biases. On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 14:35 seirra <mailto:gene...@sarifria.x10.bz>> wrote: Hello, i was wondering whether there was a way to tag areas that may be risky/dangerous to walk in? i can think of a few streets that could use the tag, wa

[Tagging] access:disabled... yes or designated?

2018-08-16 Thread seirra
another query, for access:disabled should the correct usage for a standard disabled parking space be designated or yes? the usage is mixed so i'm unsure... i'm sticking with designated for now (it's 'designated' to a disabled driver) ___ Tagging

[Tagging] areas of risk

2018-08-16 Thread seirra
Hello, i was wondering whether there was a way to tag areas that may be risky/dangerous to walk in? i can think of a few streets that could use the tag, was there anything of the sort that has been agreed on? ___ Tagging mailing list