Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2020, at 05:51, Yves wrote: > > station:type is still available then. sure, I wrote: “ (I am not an expert for aerialway station types, but sooner or later someone will come along who is, and even if they decide to use “station” for these potential

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Yves
station:type is still available then. Yves Le 17 août 2020 01:52:12 GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > >sent from a phone > >> On 17. Aug 2020, at 00:25, Colin Smale wrote: >> >> Other attributes like the presence of the drive motors, ticket sales etc are >> not determinants of

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2020, at 00:25, Colin Smale wrote: > > Other attributes like the presence of the drive motors, ticket sales etc are > not determinants of the "valley" vs "mountain" labels. I have followed this discussion, my comment was that there may well be other types of

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-17 00:12, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> On 16. Aug 2020, at 15:26, dktue wrote: > >> Ok, then I'm going to edit the wiki [1] now. >> >> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aerialway=station > > sorry for this late comment, but maybe it would be

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 16. Aug 2020, at 15:26, dktue wrote: >  Ok, then I'm going to edit the wiki [1] now. > > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aerialway=station > sorry for this late comment, but maybe it would be better to use station:position=top/mid (or middle) / bottom

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Aug 2020, at 13:55, Colin Smale wrote: > > You can't have a mid terminal, by definition. right, this is also something that always bothered me with our way of tagging ferry stations. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread dktue
Ok, then I'm going to edit the wiki [1] now. [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aerialway=station Am 16.08.2020 um 15:07 schrieb Yves: I derived, not copied :-) Go on with proposed top, mid & bottom, Dktue. I tried to be more specific and imply a meaning that is beyond 'the station

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Yves
I derived, not copied :-) Go on with proposed top, mid & bottom, Dktue. I tried to be more specific and imply a meaning that is beyond 'the station at the top of the aerialway' because us dealing with a geo database, it's a bit clumsy to tag this, and I fear the proposal will attract some

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread dktue
So that would leave us with     aerialway:station={bottom,mid,top}? Am 16.08.2020 um 13:53 schrieb Colin Smale: Nope You can't have a mid terminal, by definition. And as "terminal" is used with similar semantics to "station" here, if you start with aerialway:station you don't need to

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Colin Smale
Nope You can't have a mid terminal, by definition. And as "terminal" is used with similar semantics to "station" here, if you start with aerialway:station you don't need to include "terminal" or "station" in the value as well. That web page doesn't refer at all to the "top station" or the

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread dktue
Am 15.08.2020 um 18:25 schrieb Yves: Had a look at http://www.skilifts.org/old/glossary.htm, came up with : Aerialway:station=top_terminal, mid_terminal, bottom_terminal I'd be totally fine with that aswell. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Yves
Had a look at http://www.skilifts.org/old/glossary.htm, came up with : Aerialway:station=top_terminal, mid_terminal, bottom_terminal Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Yves
Interesting: https://pistetopowder.com/the-new-schindlergratbahn-lift/ Quote: Facts & Figures Bottom station: 2,035 m Middle station: 2,643 m Mountain station: 2,579 OK, maybe 'head' is not ideal, but I think it's worth to find something else than 'upper' Yves Le 15 août 2020 13:37:31

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread dktue
Am 15.08.2020 um 15:31 schrieb Colin Smale: On 2020-08-15 15:15, dktue wrote: The main thing is that people often refer to "Talstation" and "Bergstation" but this information is not machine-readeable but mostly encoded in the names of the stations. My goal ist to make this machine-readeable

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-15 15:15, dktue wrote: > The main thing is that people often refer to "Talstation" and "Bergstation" > but this information is not machine-readeable but mostly encoded in the names > of the stations. My goal ist to make this machine-readeable because it almost > all cases people can

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread dktue
The main thing is that people often refer to "Talstation" and "Bergstation" but this information is not machine-readeable but mostly encoded in the names of the stations. My goal ist to make this machine-readeable because it almost all cases people can refer to it even if they do not know the

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Colin Smale
It seems we can't even agree on what question to ask an "expert". @dktue I think you started this discussion... What was your intention at the time? Was it "how do we identify top/bottom stations on a cable car"? If you ask an "expert" you might get an answer involving the project numbers for the

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Yves
Maybe (as always here) we are too few specialists on this list to find the right values. I know of two forum funivie.org and remontées-mécaniques.net that specialize in the field, but in Italian and French. Does anybody know of a similar community, but English speaking? Maybe we could have good

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread dktue
For me both schemes would be fine. I have no problem using "lower", "upper" and "mid" even if the upper station is lower than some mid stations. The definition from the wiki will then still explain how to tag it and it's a rare case where the mapper probably will look for the definition in the

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Colin Smale
Yes, I object to the specific values, as I (and others) said earlier. The use of "base" and "head" is not intuitive and will lead to confusion and errors amongst non-fluent English speakers. More basic words like "top" and "bottom", or maybe "upper" and "lower", are preferable. You can/should

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread dktue
To make in unambiguous, the definition would then be:     aerialway:station=base for the station at an end of the aerialway with the lower altitude,     aerialway:station=head for the station at the opposite end of the aerialway (hence with a higher altitude) and     aerialway:station=mid

[Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Werner . Haag
Hi, it was mentioned, we have many aerialways in Tyrol and there are really cases where the mid station is the one with the highest altitude. I found an example ("Schindlergratbahn", base 2035 m, mid 2643 m , head 2579 m, see link ). So i think, the second scheme with base, mid, head could be