Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-13 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think all those designated/official/yes are the same thing. They allow something to go through a certain way. What is different is the source of that allowance. If the source is law (access=yes, access:source=de:law) then it's official. If you have a access:source=sign, then it's designated. If

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/9/13 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: I think all those designated/official/yes are the same thing. They allow something to go through a certain way. What is different is the source of that allowance. If the source is law (access=yes, access:source=de:law) then it's official. If you have a

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/13 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: I think all those designated/official/yes are the same thing. They allow something to go through a certain way. What is different is the source of that allowance. If the source is law (access=yes, access:source=de:law) then it's official. If you have a

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-12 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
Rob Nickerson wrote: Although I don't know the history of the access tag, I would expect that designated and permissive might have something to do with Public Rights of Way in the UK: Just a recap on how the values have evolved, not to open the path controversy, but just to give some

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/11 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Martin Koppenhöfer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IIRR those were initially intended to mean the same. but do you agree with the current definition ? [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated [2]

[Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Pieren
Hi, I'm currently trying to refresh a wiki translation of the Access key page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access But this page is raising some questions (for myself then imagine for newcomers): - customer is documented as disputed in the Values table and similar do destination. And

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 11.09.2012 14:17, Pieren wrote: - customer is documented as disputed in the Values table and similar do destination. And when you read the definition of destination, it says e.g. customer parking lots. Very confusing. I think too that a signle value is enough as already mentionned there.

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Subtagging doesn't really work with access - there may be different tags using the destination value on the same object, and they might then need different destination subtags. Well. I'm waiting an example where the

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 11/set/2012 um 14:17 schrieb Pieren pier...@gmail.com: I'm currently trying to refresh a wiki translation of the Access key page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access I think too that a signle value is enough as already mentionned there. If we keep customer, we need another

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 11/set/2012 um 14:55 schrieb Pieren pier...@gmail.com: If you specify the access for customers, then you have to do it for employees or visitors as well. Think about parkings or entrances in theatres, hotels, airports, supermarkets, malls, factories, hospitals, etc... I don't agree

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread SomeoneElse
Pieren wrote: If you specify the access for customers, then you have to do it for employees or visitors as well. Think about parkings or entrances in theatres, hotels, airports, supermarkets, malls, factories, hospitals, etc... Why? If I'm mapping a pub car park I want some way to say

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Why? If I'm mapping a pub car park I want some way to say access != the great unwashed public. I'm not going to care that the bar staff actually tend to park in a particular corner, or around the back. Nobody

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Martin Koppenhöfer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IIRR those were initially intended to mean the same. but do you agree with the current definition ? Strange tagging. Access=designated does not follow the convention mode of transport=designated. You cannot

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Masi Master
Hi, for me visitors belongs to customer, and employee belongs to private. I think between designated and official there are different opinions. For now I would say there is no big difference. Both used primary for foot-, cycle- or bridleways. A way with a sign: Private way, use with own

[Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Rob Nickerson
Although I don't know the history of the access tag, I would expect that designated and permissive might have something to do with Public Rights of Way in the UK: * If a path is designated as a Public Footpath then you have a legal right to walk on it and there is a legal structure protecting

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 21:03 +0100, Rob Nickerson wrote: Although I don't know the history of the access tag, I would expect that designated and permissive might have something to do with Public Rights of Way in the UK: I think they refer to England and Wales. Scotland has different access