Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-17 Thread Daniel Capilla
On 4/17/23 at 14:26, António Madeira wrote: That's also important, of course, but not everything that exists is or should be mapped. Do you know why circus tents are not mapped, although they exist? Because they are not permanent or, at least, durable enough to be considered a mappable

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-17 Thread Daniel Capilla
On 4/17/23 at 9:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: no, it is not the question, the requirement is: does it exist? That is a philosophical question: Does artwork exist? In the deep abysses of philosophy there is a door with that question engraved on it. I know because I have been there. My

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-17 Thread António Madeira
That's also important, of course, but not everything that exists is or should be mapped. Do you know why circus tents are not mapped, although they exist? Because they are not permanent or, at least, durable enough to be considered a mappable element. Existence is important, if (and this is

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17 Apr 2023, at 01:08, António Madeira wrote: > > The question is: is it relevant? no, it is not the question, the requirement is: does it exist? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-17 Thread Daniel Capilla
Thank you! These points are valuable to me. They will be useful to discuss with the community and add to the page. I usually only map "notable" graffiti, more murals than graffiti in terms of OSM. In Wikimedia Commons you can see some examples of the graffiti/murals that I am mapping in

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread António Madeira
I'm mainly focusing on one of the "rules" of OpenStreetMap: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don't_map_temporary_events_and_temporary_features A scratching or other kind of paintings on walls or public equipments tend to be temporary. A notable graffiti tends to: - originate

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Daniel Capilla
will ask again for help on how to map other types of artworks. [1] https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/difference-between-graffiti-and-mural/98056 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 16. Apr. 2023 um 17:29 Uhr schrieb Daniel Capilla < dcapil...@gmail.com>: > On 4/16/23 at 16:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > nobody has yet responded to the question about scratchings > > The wiki says that "A mural is any piece of artwork painted or applied > directly on a wall,

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:51:57 +0200 (CEST), Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > why only "notable"? I guess it might be because otherwise one might encourage putting "tourism=artwork" + "artwork_type=graffiti" every few meters on any random piece of street furniture, bridge, walls, subways,

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Daniel Capilla
On 4/16/23 at 16:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: nobody has yet responded to the question about scratchings The wiki says that "A mural is any piece of artwork painted or applied directly on a wall, ceiling or other large permanent surface". IMHO scratchings could be considered murals

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Daniel Capilla
On 4/15/23 at 20:51, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: why only "notable"?  On 4/16/23 at 15:59,  António Madeira via Tagging wrote: I believe it has to do with its longevity and legality. Normally, notable art works in the streets are allowed by the city authorities and thus last

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think anything two dimensional on a wall and with the purpose of creating an art piece is a mural. We can add a new tag like art_technique=scratching, cleaning, spray_paint, etc.. There is a fuzzy border into graffiti, where the purpose is for little rebels without a cause to have their tags be

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
nobody has yet responded to the question about scratchings, similarly here is an article about a monumental and recognized artwork created by cleaning: https://publicdelivery.org/william-kentridge-rome/ The article calls it a "mural" in the title, in osm it wouldn't currently be, because our

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread António Madeira
y) between a graffiti and a mural ('artwork_type=mural').[1] Any suggestions? Any comments would be appreciated.[2] Regards, Daniel Capilla [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:artwork_type%3Dgraffiti [2] https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/difference-betwee

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-15 Thread Daniel Capilla
twork_type [2] https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/difference-between-graffiti-and-mural/98056 _______ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
('artwork_type=mural').[1] > > Any suggestions? Any comments would be appreciated.[2] > > Regards, > > Daniel Capilla > > > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:artwork_type%3Dgraffiti > > [2] > https://community.op

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
typically a graffiti could also be considered a mural, but there are exceptions like scratched artwork, e.g. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=graffiti+scratching=images=images=images___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-15 Thread Daniel Capilla
Capilla [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:artwork_type%3Dgraffiti [2] https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/difference-between-graffiti-and-mural/98056 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo