Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

johnw writes: > A factory that manufactures IKEA furniture is industrial. > > Their Main distribution warehouse seems “commercial” > > Their shops are retail. > > Their big distribution buildings are zoned “industrial” though… I guess I’m > wrong. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/34.9

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> On Feb 13, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > in OSM, distribution warehouses are industrial What do they make there? Isn’t distribution “commerce”? A factory that manufactures IKEA furniture is industrial. Their Main distribution warehouse seems “commercial” Their sh

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sent from a phone > Am 13.02.2016 um 08:01 schrieb Marc Gemis : > > This approach could be used for supermarkets/convenience stores as > well. Supermarkets might sell different items in different countries, > or depending on their size or type (discounter vs. "regular'). yes, supermarkets lik

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sent from a phone > Am 13.02.2016 um 06:34 schrieb johnw : > > to me, a commercial B2B distribution warehouse is commercial (landuse & > buildings) - and the 3 mentioned above is retail and uses the shop=* tag. in OSM, distribution warehouses are industrial cheers, Martin __

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On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 6:34 AM, johnw wrote: > #1 ) as discussed, develop borad categories to classify stores (hardware/ > builder supply / DIY) > > #2 ) come up with descriptions for sections (usually what the isles would be > named) for more detailed mapping. I assume for home stores and DIY wi

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inline as well: > On Feb 13, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> So: >> >> Builder supply : focus on materials/piping/whatever their specialty (Tile, >> rock, lumber), excluding the finished goods stores (appliance, etc) >> >> Hardware stores : focus on tools/consumables. >> >> D

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Couple of comments inline... //colin On 2016-02-12 22:50, John Willis wrote: > Javbw > > On Feb 12, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> John, I think you are talking from your US perspective. > > Yea, this is true. > > It also lines up pretty well with Japan, but that is also a s

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores versus trade

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 05:49:11AM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > Good timing, Colin. I was about to bring up what differentiates DIY from, > say, a lumberyard or a steel yard, which focuses primarily on the materials > wholesale and may (for example, Parr Lumber >

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Good timing, Colin. I was about to bring up what differentiates DIY from, say, a lumberyard or a steel yard, which focuses primarily on the materials wholesale and may (for example, Parr Lumber ) incidentally have a small hardware and paint shop (at radi

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Large stocks of building materials and supporting construction materials is what I would probably call a "builders merchant". http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/builders%27-merchant?q=builders+merchant But note the third example sentence: "The boundaries between builders' merch

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Javbw > On Feb 11, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > ot (they'd sell wire and nails/screws, glue, paint and even small amounts of > gypsum or cement, also smaller extruded metal profiles might be available, or > chainlink mesh, Usually they sell small amounts of many mater

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2016-02-11 10:58 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > At the end of the day there are an infinite number of combinations of what > a shop might sell. It doesn't matter what examples are discussed here, > there will always be anecdotal evidence that it is wrong/incomplete. We > are trying to reach consensus

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The "store" can be factored out. It is about what they sell - what is "hardware" against what is "stuff for DIY". Looking at what you want to get out of a system, helps to determine what you need to put in. At the end of the day there are an infinite number of combinations of what a shop might

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sent from a phone > Am 10.02.2016 um 15:04 schrieb Colin Smale : > > Are we writing our own dictionary? your links don't seem to bring much news into the discussion, especially as they aren't for "hardware store" or "diy store". I also like Johns observation of diy stores selling the materi

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sent from a phone > Am 09.02.2016 um 20:30 schrieb Philip Barnes : > > The difference is about service, a shop=doityourself is about pile it > high and sell it cheap. The staff have little or no knowledge beyond > how things are labelled and certainly can't suggest a thingy that fits > a watcha

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Are we writing our own dictionary? What's wrong with the OED? If everybody just says what they understand to be the definition, what are we going to do, have a vote on it? Then the US English speakers will probably win because there are more of them. Why not just save time by killing the discussion

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Javbw > On Feb 9, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > AFAIK, Ace Hardware stores do not carry a wide enough assortment of items to > qualify. Lowes and Home Depot do. +1 A hardware store sells tools and consumables (screws, glue, paint, etc) as the main focus of the store. A DIY

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On Tue, 2016-02-09 at 10:19 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 02/09/2016 12:39 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > Would it make sense to keep distinguishing between > > shop=doityourself > > and shop=hardware? If so, how could we make the difference more > > precise? > > "A shop=doityourself

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Of course the problem with using size to distinguish between hardware > and doityourself is what to do with intermediary cases. How would you > classify, for instance, a store like this? > http://westerbork.hubo.nl/sites/default/files/Wes

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On 9 February 2016 at 07:31, Marc Gemis wrote: > The Hubo shop I know best (Reet, Belgium) sells fencing, flooring, > garden furniture, etc. besides all the tools. So it fits the DIY > better than the hardware definition. That's correct and something I'm aware of. Hubo in Belgium is very differ

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:36 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Am 09.02.2016 um 08:51 schrieb Paul Johnson : > > So this is rather similar distinction as >> shop=convenience >> vs. >> shop=supermarket >> .. and perhaps even on top of that >> vs. >> shop=department_store >> as many department stor

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Hi, On 02/09/2016 12:39 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Would it make sense to keep distinguishing between shop=doityourself > and shop=hardware? If so, how could we make the difference more > precise? "A shop=doityourself is to a shop=hardware what a shop=supermarket is to a shop=convenience". B

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sent from a phone Am 09.02.2016 um 08:51 schrieb Paul Johnson : >> So this is rather similar distinction as >> shop=convenience >> vs. >> shop=supermarket >> .. and perhaps even on top of that >> vs. >> shop=department_store >> as many department stores also have a food department (albeit certa

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sent from a phone > Am 09.02.2016 um 08:45 schrieb Paul Johnson : > > I believe that would generally be known as a "makerspace", though I'm not > sure what the tag would be. makerspace to me has the connotation of "high tech", industrial machines in household scale (e.g. 3D printers, laser

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On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Jaakko Helleranta wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > >> shop=doityourself >> and shop=hardware are the same thing, with some notion of scale, >> > > So this is rather similar distinction as > shop=convenience > vs. > shop=supermarket > .

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I believe that would generally be known as a "makerspace", though I'm not sure what the tag would be. On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2016-02-09 0:39 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen : > >> Would it make sense to keep distinguishing between shop=doityourself >> and shop

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On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > As you can see, these definitions are quite similar. Not surprisingly, > taggers have problems with these definitions too. Some examples > * Home Depot in the US is tagged home depot 1161 times as > shop=doityourself, but also 148 times

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > The Dutch shop Hubo, which might fit the Hardware definition better, > is tagged 23 times as shop=doityourself and only 4 times as > shop=hardware. The Hubo shop I know best (Reet, Belgium) sells fencing, flooring, garden furniture, et

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

What if we were to define doityourself as a shop where one can purchase everything necessary to build a house, from tools and materials up to and including beams and sheathing, roofing, toilets, sinks, electrical cabinets, furnaces, etc.? We can ignore the fact that professional builders use Home D

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > shop=doityourself > and shop=hardware are the same thing, with some notion of scale, > So this is rather similar distinction as shop=convenience vs. shop=supermarket .. and perhaps even on top of that vs. shop=department_store as many departme

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> On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > > Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > >> how do we tag "do it yourself"-shops where you can buy material (e.g. wood) >> and use their tools and space to build something? > > That's totally different. I know of only places to do painting/make >

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Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > 2016-02-09 0:39 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen : > >> Would it make sense to keep distinguishing between shop=doityourself >> and shop=hardware? If so, how could we make the difference more >> precise? Reading the comments, I come to the conclusion that shop=doityours

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Well if you fire up iD and start typing Home Depot, Lowes, Menards or Ace Hardware, they all end up with shop=doityourself. The doityourself tag has always seemed a little awkward to me for some reason. I feel like Home Depot makes a good chunk of their money on professional contractors who buy su

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2016-02-09 0:39 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen : > Would it make sense to keep distinguishing between shop=doityourself > and shop=hardware? If so, how could we make the difference more > precise? > how do we tag "do it yourself"-shops where you can buy material (e.g. wood) and use their tools and

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It is a difficult choice, I agree. In my own tagging I use shop=hardware if tools and fasteners are the main items sold. A doityourself shop, like Home Depot, also sells these things but has a wide variety of building or construction materials that are the main items being sold. Judging which categ

[Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

Hi all, We currently have separate tags for shop=doityourself (37 857 instances) and shop=hardware (24 674 instances). The OSM wiki gives the following definitions: Do-it-yourself: | Do-It-Yourself-stores (DIY for short) are similar to hardware stores, except | they are generally larger and stoc