Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 19:41, Tod Fitch wrote: > For example, as mappers discover they can map a voie verte in France or a > “Rails to Trails” in the USA as highway=greenway and not as arbitrary > choice of track, path, cycleway or bridle path differentiated by a bunch of > foot=designated,

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 04:25, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 11:31, Paul Allen wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 02:10, Mike Thompson wrote: >> >>> I don't think anyone is saying that tracks can't have additional uses, >>> just that one of those uses has to be

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 11:31, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 02:10, Mike Thompson wrote: > >> I don't think anyone is saying that tracks can't have additional uses, >> just that one of those uses has to be forestry, agriculture (and maybe >> mineral extraction/energy). >> > > They

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 02:10, Mike Thompson wrote: > I don't think anyone is saying that tracks can't have additional uses, > just that one of those uses has to be forestry, agriculture (and maybe > mineral extraction/energy). > They HAVE to have one of those uses? Really? No exceptions.

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:53 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > here in Oz, "tracks" are almost always unpaved (grass or dirt / rock surface) & I think that is true in the US as well, but not everything that is wide enough, and otherwise suited, for a 2-track vehicle and is unpaved is a

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

I agree that in countries with large areas of lightly-developed land, like Australia, Canada, USA, there may be highway=track features which were never used for agriculture or forestry, but were originally designed for 4x4 or off-road recreational vehicles. These might be called "jeep tracks" or

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 05:47, Tod Fitch wrote: > > “Greenway” [1] was a term unknown to me too > I only found out when I looked at the link you provided that we have "foreshoreways", & one most prominently mentioned is only about 2k from where I live!

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 13:40, Tod Fitch wrote: > My hope would be that addition of more highway=* values that better match > what people are trying to map would be a short term pain (data consumers need > to add one more check) but long term benefit. > > For example, as mappers discover they

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Jun 10, 2020, 19:40 by t...@fitchfamily.org : > > >> On Jun 10, 2020, at 12:31 AM, Volker Schmidt > > wrote: >> >> Two points to get this thread back on track:

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 12:31 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Two points to get this thread back on track: > > 1) The highway=track tag has always been wider than agriculture and forestry. > There is an often overlooked "etc." in the description on the wiki, and it > has been there from the

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

sent from a phone > On 10. Jun 2020, at 18:56, Mike Thompson wrote: > > Also, the land manager (e.g. parks and recreation department) has access to > almost all of their properties via motor vehicle. > > Does this only apply to unpaved ways? General motorized traffic is typically

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 20:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > and highway=greenway seems to not be a real improvement and its meaning is > utterly unclear for me > It may be referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_lane_(road) or maybe not. Since

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

Jun 10, 2020, 19:40 by t...@fitchfamily.org: > > > >> On Jun 10, 2020, at 12:31 AM, Volker Schmidt <>> vosc...@gmail.com>> > wrote: >> >> Two points to get this thread back on track: >> >> 1) The highway=track tag has always been wider than agriculture and >> forestry. There is an often

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

>A track does have a different function, it can handle a 2 track vehicle, a >path can't. If there's something even remotely like that in the wiki, help or elsewhere, it needs to be reverted to what it has been from the beginning. all we can say is: A track can't be so narrow it can't handle a

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

I mean physically. If a vehicle can't use it legally, the access key must be activated, like in any other feature. I believe that the legality of circulation shouldn't interfere with the tagging of a track. For example: a dirt highway in a Natural Reserve should be always a track, regardless of

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 10:26 AM António Madeira wrote: > If a motor vehicle can and uses the way, it's a track. When you say "can use" do you mean both legally and physically, or only physically?. If legally, do you mean just the general public? As someone pointed out, law enforcement has

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

Às 06:03 de 10/06/2020, Martin Koppenhoefer escreveu: sent from a phone On 10. Jun 2020, at 02:31, Kevin Kenny wrote: In terms of function, 'track' and 'service' (with or without 'driveway') are practically interchangeable - at least in terms of what they provide to the road network.

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sent from a phone > On 10. Jun 2020, at 02:31, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > In terms of function, 'track' and 'service' (with or without > 'driveway') are practically interchangeable - at least in terms of > what they provide to the road network. They're both distinguished by > the fact that they

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sent from a phone > On 10. Jun 2020, at 01:07, Mike Thompson wrote: > > I asked this same question about a trail in a nearby park (Natural Area) a > couple of weeks ago on this list and received a largely different answer from > the one I am receiving today. Perhaps it is just that

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

Two points to get this thread back on track: 1) The highway=track tag has always been wider than agriculture and forestry. There is an often overlooked "etc." in the description on the wiki, and it has been there from the very first version of 26 May 2008. (see also Duck_tagging

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

Interesting that this discussion came back from another angle. Obviously there is an issue here that we need some kind of consensus about. There are advantages with the wiki-style community that OSM is, but cases like this also demonstrate the clear disadvantages when there is no board or similar

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > > I don't use 'path' very much except that JOSM wants to use it for > 'combined foot- and cycleway'. Using JOSM, I'll typically tag a way > as a 'path' so that I get the dialog where I can quickly fill in > surface, smoothness, maybe

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On 6/9/20 7:27 PM, Warin wrote: To me in OSM a 'path' has always been too narrow for a motor car (4WD or not) to pass. If it is wide enough for a car then it is not a 'path' in OSM so they must be tagged in some other way. Descriptions of 'path': On 10/6/20 5:53 am, brad wrote: "If a path

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:02 PM brad > wrote: > A track does have a different function, it can handle a 2 track vehicle, a > path can't. > Yes, a "track" has a different function, its function is for

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

To me in OSM a 'path' has always been too narrow for a motor car (4WD or not) to pass. If it is wide enough for a car then it is not a 'path' in OSM so they must be tagged in some other way. Descriptions of 'path': On 10/6/20 5:53 am, brad wrote: "If a path is wide enough for

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:13 PM Tod Fitch wrote: > The two major factions seem to be set in their ways: “It is only a track if > it is used for agriculture or forestry” on one side. “It has the same > physical characteristics as a track, so it is a track even if it is currently > used for

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

Jun 10, 2020, 01:05 by miketh...@gmail.com: > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 4:13 PM Tod Fitch <> t...@fitchfamily.org> > wrote: > > > In my rendering of hiking maps I currently have to look at 13 tags and > > their values to make a decision if a “path” or “footway” might be what I > > want to

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 4:13 PM Tod Fitch wrote: > In my rendering of hiking maps I currently have to look at 13 tags and their values to make a decision if a “path” or “footway” might be what I want to render. This is ridiculous. It is neither easy for the mapper nor the renderer. > > On the

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

The dictionary doesn't help much: track: "a path or rough road that is made of soil

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Jun 9, 2020, 21:53 by bradha...@fastmail.com: > It already says this: > "Some > highway > => track> > are used for various leisure activities - hiking, cycling, or asjeep/ATV > trails." > on the track wiki.  >

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:02 PM brad wrote: > A track does have a different function, it can handle a 2 track vehicle, a > path can't. > Yes, a "track" has a different function, its function is for agriculture or forestry. A wide path on the other hand has the same function as a narrow path. >

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

A track does have a different function, it can handle a 2 track vehicle, a path can't. If functional is sacrosanct,  why do we have motorway?   A motorway could just be a trunk or primary with extra tags denoting limited access. On 6/9/20 2:11 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2020

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 1:55 PM brad wrote: > > It already says this: > "Some highway=track are used for various leisure activities - hiking, cycling, or as jeep/ATV trails. " > on the track wiki. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack Right, there is nothing that says that a

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

> I propose changing the path page... Disagree. A track is primarily used for agriculture, forestry or related activities. A path is primarily used by people on foot, on bicycles, or on horseback. While most paths are narrow, because those 3 means of transportation do not require a wide

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

It already says this: "Some highway =track are used for various leisure activities - hiking, cycling, or as jeep/ATV trails. " on the track wiki. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack I propose changing the path page from

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

My own simple definition, I may be wrong but that's how I map it : If there is two line on the ground indicating that a 4 wheel vehicle went trough, it's a highway=track. Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 11:01:30 -0600 brad wrote: > I think if it's wide enough for a normal motor vehicle and is open > for that, even if only service & emergency, it should not be =path. > track or service In the United States, and probably in most other common-law countries, *everything* is open

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:43 AM Andrew Harvey wrote: > > If the way is used by "law enforcement, emergency, and maintenance staff" motor vehicles then I'd tag it highway=track and if it's designated for walking then foot=designated + motor_vehicle=private, since it's wide enough and occasionally

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

OnTue, Jun 9, 2020 at 11:03 AM brad wrote: > > I think if it's wide enough for a normal motor vehicle and is open for that, even if only service & emergency, it should not be =path. track or service in an emergency, almost everything is open to some authority using vehicles of some sort. Even

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

I think if it's wide enough for a normal motor vehicle and is open for that, even if only service & emergency, it should not be =path.   track or service On 6/9/20 8:42 AM, Andrew Harvey wrote: If the way is used by "law enforcement, emergency, and maintenance staff" motor vehicles then I'd

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

If the way is used by "law enforcement, emergency, and maintenance staff" motor vehicles then I'd tag it highway=track and if it's designated for walking then foot=designated + motor_vehicle=private, since it's wide enough and occasionally used by vehicles, even for a path that is mostly used for

[Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

I know we have had this discussion before, but perhaps some of you that are more elegant (and diplomatic) can comment on: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85034574 These ways exist only to provide recreation to those on foot, bicycle or horseback. One will occasionally see a park