Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-05 Thread Simone Saviolo
2012/9/4 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl On 04/09/2012 15:30, Phil! Gold wrote: I fully agree that there's no way to set a global standard; it should be left to the locals, who know the features best. But how local is local? It's obvious that a single standard for the whole world is not

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-05 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-05 17:17, Simone Saviolo wrote : [...] To complicate things even further, there are some rivers (fiume in Italian, which is masculine) that are commonly referred to as feminine: la Marcova, la Bormida, la Dora Riparia, la Dora Baltea, la Drava, la Senna; and it's still debated

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-04 Thread Ronnie Soak
In Germany, this question is easier to answer. There actually are streams and creeks that have the word stream or creak in the name, just that Germans pull the words together, making it more obvious that its part of the actual name. Also it is almost exclusively used for smaller water features,

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-04 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 04.09.2012 08:23, schrieb Ronnie Soak: In Germany, this question is easier to answer. [...] This again is more often true for smaller towns. But we have some exceptions: 'Lutherstadt Wittenberg' (City of Luther, Wittenberg) is actually the full, official name of that city. How do we know?

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-04 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com wrote: In Germany, this question is easier to answer. What is clear is that we cannot define a global naming convention for these things. And please do not export your local practices in other countries. Perhaps it would

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/4 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: What is clear is that we cannot define a global naming convention for these things. And please do not export your local practices in other countries. +1 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
Naming things as they are said makes it difficult for machines to give you a human readable name. In Osmand, if you touch a POI, for example a hotel, it says Hotel xxx. So if someone named it Hotel Park, it will say Hotel Hotel Park. Likewise, if we have a different word for hotel, like inn,

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/9/4 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: Naming things as they are said makes it difficult for machines to give you a human readable name. In Osmand, if you touch a POI, for example a hotel, it says Hotel xxx. So if someone named it Hotel Park, it will say Hotel Hotel Park. Maybe better fix

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-04 Thread Phil! Gold
* David ``Smith'' vidthe...@gmail.com [2012-09-03 18:51 -0400]: In my part of the US, nearly every river is of the form the X River and I would expect to see it that way on maps, leaving out the the which is used in forming sentences but not generally considered part of the name. In Michigan

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-04 Thread Colin Smale
On 04/09/2012 15:30, Phil! Gold wrote: I fully agree that there's no way to set a global standard; it should be left to the locals, who know the features best. But how local is local? It's obvious that a single standard for the whole world is not going to happen, but there has to be some level

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-04 Thread John F. Eldredge
Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: Naming things as they are said makes it difficult for machines to give you a human readable name. In Osmand, if you touch a POI, for example a hotel, it says Hotel xxx. So if someone named it Hotel Park, it will say Hotel Hotel Park. Likewise, if we

[Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread Colin Smale
I can't find any guidance or consistency in the data, so I thought I'd let up a balloon here... Should the name=* for a river include the word River? Is it name=Thames or name=River Thames? According to the wiki [1] we should only use Thames in this case. If we consider River Thames to be

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread John F. Eldredge
Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: I can't find any guidance or consistency in the data, so I thought I'd let up a balloon here... Should the name=* for a river include the word River? Is it name=Thames or name=River Thames? According to the wiki [1] we should only use Thames in

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread David ``Smith''
In my part of the US, nearly every river is of the form the X River and I would expect to see it that way on maps, leaving out the the which is used in forming sentences but not generally considered part of the name. In Michigan there's the River Raisin for some reason, and I would expect to see

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread David ``Smith''
Oh yes I forgot to mention: NYC would be name=New York, and maybe tourist_name=New York City. If we have a tag for the full name of the city government, such as City Of New York or Village Of West Jefferson, then so be it, but that doesn't go in name=*.

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
I just _had_ to check what that is/was... The NYC node (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/61785451) was along those lines: alt-name=New York City - fixed to alt_name=* .. but also added official_name=New York City -- and just now short_name=NYC The city website (http://nyc.gov) seems to

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-03 21:05,  Colin Smale wrote : Should the name=* for a river include the word "River"? Is it "name=Thames" or "name=River Thames"? According to the wiki [1] we should only use "Thames" in this case. If we consider "River Thames" to

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread David ``Smith''
On Sep 3, 2012 8:57 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com wrote: My 10 years of ESL in English speaking environment would tend to think that you could do this for almost any X City - voters of the City of X. .. Not true in general. I think the main reason New York gets City appended so

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread Michael Krämer
Hi, Am 04.09.2012 03:22 schrieb André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com: I think that names should be spelled the way people speak them so that the map reader can speak them too. le Wachiboux (masculine) but la Semois and la Meuse (feminine). Well, this might depend on the local language. In German