Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-05-03 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 03.05.2011 um 11:56 schrieb Stefan Bethke: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Car_access_tag I've updated the draft with concrete verbiage to be added/changed on the access and Map features pages. Stefan -- Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de Fon +49 151 14070811

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-05-01 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Am 29.04.2011 22:18, schrieb Stefan Bethke: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose. Should I use that, and add an appropriate entry below motorcar=*? There is clearly a key needed for this class of vehicles, so why not just use car.

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-05-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/1 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 02:10 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: If I was towing a caravan, I wouldnt set my navigation device to think Im in a car or a motorbike, Id most probably use hgv. this thread is not about hacking your system so that it does

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-05-01 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 01.05.2011 um 13:14 schrieb Sebastian Hohmann: Am 29.04.2011 22:18, schrieb Stefan Bethke: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose. Should I use that, and add an appropriate entry below motorcar=*? There is clearly a key needed for this class of vehicles,

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-05-01 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Am 01.05.2011 15:13, schrieb Stefan Bethke: Am 01.05.2011 um 13:14 schrieb Sebastian Hohmann: Am 29.04.2011 22:18, schrieb Stefan Bethke: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose. Should I use that, and add an appropriate entry below motorcar=*? There is

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/29 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose.   Should I use that, and add an appropriate entry below motorcar=*? -1 IMHO motorcar should be defined as automobile/car, and not be used as a generic term including busses, hgv,

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Am 30.04.2011 12:10, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/4/29 Stefan Bethkes...@lassitu.de: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose. Should I use that, and add an appropriate entry below motorcar=*? -1 IMHO motorcar should be defined as automobile/car, and not be

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/30 Sebastian Hohmann m...@s-hohmann.de: Am 30.04.2011 12:10, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: motorcar is supposed to represent the class of Zeichen 251 (shows a car from the front), which forbids all double-tracked motor vehicles (which includes hgv and buses etc). this is how I see this

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 30.04.2011 um 12:10 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: I'd also like to point at motor_vehicle which doesn't seem to be defined reasonably (it includes all vehicles with a motor, like mofas and mopeds with 25 / 50 ccm motors). All definitions we're talking about apply to highways and similar

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 30.04.2011 um 13:08 schrieb Sebastian Hohmann: motorcar is supposed to represent the class of Zeichen 251 (shows a car from the front), which forbids all double-tracked motor vehicles (which includes hgv and buses etc). car is supposed to represent the class of Zusatzzeichen 1048-10

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 30.04.2011 um 12:10 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/4/29 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose. Should I use that, and add an appropriate entry below motorcar=*? -1 IMHO motorcar should be defined as automobile/car, and

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 30.04.2011 um 15:10 schrieb Stefan Bethke: Am 30.04.2011 um 12:10 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/4/29 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose. Should I use that, and add an appropriate entry below motorcar=*? -1 IMHO

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 15:10 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: Am 30.04.2011 um 12:10 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/4/29 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose. Should I use that, and add an appropriate entry below motorcar=*?

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Am 30.04.2011 16:51, schrieb David Murn: On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 15:10 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: Am 30.04.2011 um 12:10 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/4/29 Stefan Bethkes...@lassitu.de: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose. Should I use that, and add an

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/30 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: And if you feel you need more classifications, here's a Wikipedia article on the EU classification: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EG-Fahrzeugklasse (seems there's no English version) There is no English version of this, and it seems to deal only with

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 30.04.2011 um 16:51 schrieb David Murn: On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 15:10 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: Am 30.04.2011 um 12:10 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/4/29 Stefan Bethke s...@lassitu.de: It appears that people have been using car as a key for this purpose. Should I use that, and add

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/30/2011 6:56 PM, Stefan Bethke wrote: My concrete problem is a parking lot that only cars are allowed to use, but not trucks nor busses (technically, parking is allowed for two track vehicles with no trailers, not exceeding a gross mass of 3.5 tonnes). Reading the Key:access page, I did

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 17:08 +0200, Sebastian Hohmann wrote: But don't forget bicycle=yes, foot=yes, horse=yes, skating=yes, dog=yes, ... But is bicycle/horse/skate/dog parking allowed? This is a discussion of how to tag limited access to parking, in which case you dont need to say what IS

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 01.05.2011 um 01:27 schrieb David Murn: On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 00:56 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: Maybe the alternative is to instead tag that its only suitable for single-tracked vehicles (ie. access=no motorbike=yes) rather than trying to figure out what isnt allowed? From how I read

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-30 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 02:10 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: hgv=no might or might not be understood to include busses, but it certainly would not imply cars with a trailer, or small caravans. If I was towing a caravan, I wouldnt set my navigation device to think Im in a car or a motorbike, Id most

[Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-29 Thread Stefan Bethke
Trying to decypher the hierarchy of vehicles on the Key:access page, I cannot find a key that would allow me to tag a amenity=parking area as access=no, XXX=yes; where XXX would indicate access by regular cars as opposed to heavier or larger vehicles like busses, trucks and the like. It

Re: [Tagging] parking spaces limited to cars (no busses, trucks, etc.)

2011-04-29 Thread Stefan Bethke
Am 29.04.2011 um 22:18 schrieb Stefan Bethke: Trying to decypher the hierarchy of vehicles on the Key:access page, I cannot find a key that would allow me to tag a amenity=parking area as access=no, XXX=yes; where XXX would indicate access by regular cars as opposed to heavier or larger