Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
In South America wayside crosses with artificial flowers and, often, a small mound, are very frequent. All the ones I looked at, were memorials for road accident victims. On Mon, 12 Jun 2023, 09:27 Marc_marc, wrote: > Le 11.06.23 à 13:29, Anne-Karoline Distel a écrit : > >

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-12 Thread Marc_marc
Le 11.06.23 à 13:29, Anne-Karoline Distel a écrit : https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10967549672 subject=Sandy or subject=Sandy the dog or subject=pet? I consider subject=* to describe a category: if the dog is well enough known, I'll use subject=Sandy (and probably create a wikidata for

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-12 Thread Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi
just my 2 cents: in some parts of the world it wouldn't be a cross, but something else (in most of middle-east, in the non-western countries...) memorial=roadside_memorial memorial:type=cross/plaque/stone... memorial:reason=car_crash/whatever... Il giorno lun 12 giu 2023 alle ore 08:13

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
In Poland many of them are small crosses without any text or description so it is not entirely obvious why they were placed (though you can guess quite reliably). Jun 11, 2023, 14:31 by annekadis...@web.de: > > I would think that they are still memorials, if they commemorate an >

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-11 Thread Jez Nicholson
There is also the slightly derogatory term 'cellotaph' for a memorial of flowers in cellophane wrapper, with a memorial card. Whilst temporary in construction, they are often replaced/refreshed annually. In the UK they are tied to lampposts, fences, walls, etc. at the site of a collision. On Sun,

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-11 Thread Anne-Karoline Distel
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10967549672 subject=Sandy or subject=Sandy the dog or subject=pet? Maybe memorial:animal=dog would be an option. Anne On 10/06/2023 23:50, Marc_marc wrote: Le 10.06.23 à 16:40, Anne-Karoline Distel a écrit : I would like to be able to differentiate

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-11 Thread Anne-Karoline Distel
I would think that they are still memorials, if they commemorate an accident or suicide. I'm not aware of terribly many use cases for man_made=cross, maybe at open air church service locations or along stations of the cross. Food for thought, anyway. Anne On 11/06/2023 10:29, Mateusz

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-11 Thread Craig Wallace
On 2023-06-10 20:57, Greg Troxel wrote: Anne-Karoline Distel writes: I would say that memorial:cause=traffic_accident would leave the options open whether the victim intended to die or not. OK but IMHO traffic_crash is better. 'accident' is an assertion of no blame, and there are messy

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I typically tagged such crosses as man_made=cross historic=memorial memorial=cross man_made=cross ? Jun 11, 2023, 02:27 by annekadis...@web.de: > A historic=wayside_cross does not mark the spot; it is not left in a > location where someone is buried or died. It is a way to make sure the > soul

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-10 Thread Greg Troxel
Anne-Karoline Distel writes: > I would like to be able to differentiate memorials for road traffic > accidents from other memorials along a road, because I'd really like to > know how many there are. Sometimes, it will be difficult to say without > local knowledge whether it was that or maybe if

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-10 Thread Anne-Karoline Distel
Yes, I'm aware of ghost bikes, even if only since recently. Would memorial:cause or something like that be useful? If it was a war memorial, one could use memorial:cause:wikidata then to link to the specific war or skirmish. I wouldn't link to the wikidata entry for traffic accident, just to

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-10 Thread Anne-Karoline Distel
On 10/06/2023 20:33, Greg Troxel wrote: Anne-Karoline Distel writes: I would like to be able to differentiate memorials for road traffic accidents from other memorials along a road, because I'd really like to know how many there are. Sometimes, it will be difficult to say without local

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-10 Thread Greg Troxel
Anne-Karoline Distel writes: > I would say that memorial:cause=traffic_accident would leave the options > open whether the victim intended to die or not. OK but IMHO traffic_crash is better. 'accident' is an assertion of no blame, and there are messy issues of bad luck and negligence. crash

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-10 Thread Marc_marc
Le 10.06.23 à 16:40, Anne-Karoline Distel a écrit : I would like to be able to differentiate memorials for road traffic accidents from other memorials along a road memorial:conflict=road_accident On a side note, I'd also like to tag memorials for pets different than for events and people.

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-10 Thread Anne-Karoline Distel
On 10/06/2023 20:57, Greg Troxel wrote: Anne-Karoline Distel writes: I would say that memorial:cause=traffic_accident would leave the options open whether the victim intended to die or not. OK but IMHO traffic_crash is better. 'accident' is an assertion of no blame, and there are messy

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10 Jun 2023, at 17:58, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote: > > I don't know if > wayside_cross is used for this in some instances, for example, which > IMHO it shouldn't be agreed. One tag I am aware of in this context is memorial=ghost_bike

[Tagging] road accident memorials

2023-06-10 Thread Anne-Karoline Distel
I would like to be able to differentiate memorials for road traffic accidents from other memorials along a road, because I'd really like to know how many there are. Sometimes, it will be difficult to say without local knowledge whether it was that or maybe if the family uses "accident" as a