Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-24 Thread Dave Swarthout
John mentions LNG in his reply. I'm not sure if Liquid Natural Gas is used as a motor fuel here in Thailand but they do sell Compressed Natural Gas or CNG. Both fuels are composed of methane gas. LNG is compressed to the point that the methane liquifies and therefore requires cryogenically

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-24 Thread John Willis
> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:59 AM, John Willis > wrote: > > The problem I am running into is that the fuel shops that I am trying to tag > **look** like a gas station - but

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-24 Thread Dave Swarthout
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:59 AM, John Willis wrote: > > The problem I am running into is that the fuel shops that I am trying to > tag **look** like a gas station - but **do not sell gasoline or diesel**. > it is not a “gas station” it is a Heating oil stand. it sells kerosene.

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-01-20 11:28 GMT+01:00 Dave Swarthout : > By the way, how did we manage to get to this point when the OP was about > shop=fuel? because shop=fuel was proposed as tag for alternative places compared to actual petrol stations (amenity=fuel) for cases where someone

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-20 Thread Dave Swarthout
On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > ultimately it's up to the mapper, but I would surely refrain from adding a > sells:ice_icream tag to supermarkets. Agreed. I would also refrain from adding sells:ice_icream to shop=fuel. By the way, how did

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20 Jan 2017, at 06:44, Marc Gemis wrote: > > But how do you distinguish those from the places where you can buy one > of these or fresh ice cream (and chose between 1 to tens of flavours) > or the Italian type. The places a typical tourist is

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 20-Jan-17 03:47 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: >> >> >> But your shopping list is pretty vague. As you already indicate by >> your sentence about fuel brand, > > > No, not a brand but a rating of knocking. Some people will demand a

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Warin
On 20-Jan-17 03:47 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: But your shopping list is pretty vague. As you already indicate by your sentence about fuel brand, No, not a brand but a rating of knocking. Some vehicles require a 'high' performance fuel to avoid engine pinging or knocking. Running such engines on

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Which are the osm features that tell you in a reliable way if ice cream is > available? There are some (e.g. amenity=ice_cream), but if you rely only on > them you'll miss a lot of other places that might be

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > At what points along the way will you be able to buy; > milk > bread > vegetables > fruit > meat In Western Europe you go to a supermarket :-) And most likely you will find a fuel station on the premises as well. But I

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Warin
On 20-Jan-17 12:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2017-01-19 13:30 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis >: But what with the additional parameters: How detailed did I specify the products (do I want a TV or model XYZ from brand ABC) ? I'm a

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-01-19 13:30 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis : > But what with the additional parameters: How detailed did I specify > the products (do I want a TV or model XYZ from brand ABC) ? I'm a > willing to buy a different brand of something to save x kms of travel > or euros. Do I need

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
The main difference between the shop and highway example is that you are stil listing a fixed number of properties of the road, unlike the number of products. There are a unlimited number of products sold via store. Furthermore the brand, the price and packaging of those products might be

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-18 Thread Warin
On 19-Jan-17 06:48 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: I thought we went through this discussion on sell or vending a couple of months ago, where the fear was that we would start "importing" the sales catalogue of shops and that it would be very hard to maintain. Yes. It was I who raised it. Those who

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-18 Thread Marc Gemis
I thought we went through this discussion on sell or vending a couple of months ago, where the fear was that we would start "importing" the sales catalogue of shops and that it would be very hard to maintain. A vending machine typically sells 1 type of product, so there it is more or less doable.

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-18 Thread joost schouppe
2017-01-18 15:33 GMT+01:00 Dave Swarthout : > This tag started out being for a very specific type of shop that sells > only one item, motor fuel, in small volume containers. There is a need to > keep shops of this type separate from large full-service facilities that >

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-18 Thread Dave Swarthout
This tag started out being for a very specific type of shop that sells only one item, motor fuel, in small volume containers. There is a need to keep shops of this type separate from large full-service facilities that sell motor fuel in quantities large enough to refill cars or trucks. lt has now

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-18 Thread Marc Gemis
I guess that for every categorization, whether you use shop=x or, sell=x;y;z or sell:x=yes someone will come by and want to divide that category into two. So x will be split into x' and x'', both subcategories of x, until we end up with the categories containing exactly one product :-) imho we

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-18 Thread joost schouppe
> There are general stores (shop= ) that sell fuel too ... Well, that goes for any product and any shop. While your suggestion does make sense, we already have a long list of shop types. No one made this particular suggestion during the fuel-shop discussion (unless I'm mistaken). But it is true

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-16 Thread Warin
There are general stores (shop= ) that sell fuel too ... I'd much rather have a tag that will work for any product ... like "sells" sells=fuel then more specific if required fuel:[whatever fuel]=yes This tag should work for any product ... sells=bread ... there are fuel shops that sell bread

[Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-16 Thread joost schouppe
Hi, Some time back, there was a largish discussion about shops that sell fuel, but are definitely not a fuel station. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-March/023102.html Of course, there was no consensus, but most people seemed to agree that a new tag was needed. Also,