2010/4/12 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 12 April 2010 09:09, Steve Doerr steve.do...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Sand is not a necessary element of a beach in any case. In fact, the
original meaning of 'beach' was: 'The loose water-worn pebbles of the
sea-shore; shingle.'
All this
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:10 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see an overly compelling reason to change the existing tag,
Me either. In my previous post I was actually trying to point out the
problems with the landuse tag, rather than advocate it.
I think natural=beach
On 11 April 2010 20:40, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Surely these should be tagged golf_course=bunker, or something.
I was hoping for something a little more generic since you can also
have beach volley ball areas that are no where near beaches, there is
also sand in deserts, and
2010/4/11 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 11 April 2010 20:40, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Surely these should be tagged golf_course=bunker, or something.
I was hoping for something a little more generic since you can also
have beach volley ball areas that are no where
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:18 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 April 2010 20:40, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Surely these should be tagged golf_course=bunker, or something.
I was hoping for something a little more generic
Suggestions? As is, you can't use
On 12 April 2010 07:50, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Suggestions? As is, you can't use surface because that's only for
roads/footpaths (although strangely it's also used for
Why does the surface tag have to be limited to roads/footpaths?
leisure=pitch's - seems the wiki needs
On 12 April 2010 09:09, Steve Doerr steve.do...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Sand is not a necessary element of a beach in any case. In fact, the
original meaning of 'beach' was: 'The loose water-worn pebbles of the
sea-shore; shingle.'
All this means is that sand is assumed, since natural=beach
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:04 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 April 2010 07:50, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Suggestions? As is, you can't use surface because that's only for
roads/footpaths (although strangely it's also used for
Why does the surface tag have
It sounds to me like we're getting back to the old argument about the
difference between land-use and land-cover. Unfortunately, tags for
both have been lumped together into landuse=*, (as well as some
natural, man-made etc) which is why the debate reoccurs so often.
Sand is a cover, not a use.
On 12 April 2010 14:20, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
Good point. I assume you disagree with the use of landuse=grass, then?
(which is listed at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landuse)
It seems inconsistent with other landuses such as residential,
industrial, commercial etc.
On 12 April 2010 15:05, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote:
My personal opinion is that we should separate out the cover tags from
landuse into some other tag (doesn't have to be landcover). Not
because this is required, or it for easier searching, though they may
be side benefits. Simply
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Friday 09 April 2010 09:03:03 John Smith wrote:
Although that brings up another issue about how coastlines are legally
defined as being at the mean low tide mark
Actually this is completely irrelevant.
In OSM the
Cartinus wrote:
On Thursday 08 April 2010 22:00:54 John Smith wrote:
From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beach
Beach areas should always meet with a natural=coastline way.
This is not the case. Many lakes have beaches, either natural or even
man made.
Do not use
this tag
On Saturday 10 April 2010 08:44:43 Erik Johansson wrote:
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote:
In OSM the coastline is not defined that way.
Please! There is no definition, if you want to define your
beach/waterline as mapped in a specific tide then tag the
2010/4/9 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net:
many towns in upstate NY have town beaches on local lakes.
In Berlin we have beaches (Oststrand [1+2] ) at the river and even in
the zoo ;-) [3]
cheers,
Martin
btw.: what about tagging (and rendering) surface=sand ? IMHO the
beaches-hack is not
On 11 April 2010 00:18, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
btw.: what about tagging (and rendering) surface=sand ? IMHO the
beaches-hack is not to be kept eternally...
It doesn't look like anyone ever filed a bug about this, so I just added one:
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
an John
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2010/4/10 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
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On 11 April 2010 00:18, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
btw.: what about tagging (and rendering) surface=sand ? IMHO
On 11 April 2010 01:04, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
I see you filed this ticket for natural=sand. This doesn't literally
apply to berlin beaches, as they are all man_made. That's why I
suggested surface=sand (doesn't matter if it's natural or not).
I don't think it
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 3:36 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think it matters if it's a man made beach or not, natural=tree
is used for planter boxes in the middle of the street, I'm pretty sure
that isn't 100% natural :)
Hmm. Yes, we also have natural=water whether
On 11-4-2010 0:50, Roy Wallace wrote:
city, to me, that's pretty clearly landuse=beach. But in Australia
sand, is frequently dumped on beaches bordering the sea, to top up
the sand for the tourists. At what point would that change from
natural=beach to landuse=beach?
Not just for tourists,
On 11 April 2010 08:50, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
The only alternative I see is landuse=beach, which I think would be
ok, if there were a clear distinction between this and natural=beach.
For a beach created by dumping a bunch of sand in the middle of a
city, to me, that's
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, Roy Wallace wrote:
The only alternative I see is landuse=beach, which I think would be
ok, if there were a clear distinction between this and natural=beach.
For a beach created by dumping a bunch of sand in the middle of a
city, to me, that's pretty clearly landuse=beach.
On 11 April 2010 09:03, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
+1 for landuse=beach, providing that includes beach below high tide mark, and
hoping that no person thinks that should be seause=beach
I don't see an overly compelling reason to change the existing tag,
however there are things like golf
On 11 April 2010 11:23, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Not wanting to hijack this thread onto another subject, but the general
problem is using adjectives (natural) instead of nouns (landuse) for
Most sand is the product of a natural process, rather than being
created even if it's moved,
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:03 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 April 2010 10:34, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote:
For everyone who has never seen the sea
Seeing the sea isn't the problem, the sea is only a few blocks from here.
Commonly a sandy beach consists of a
On Friday 09 April 2010 09:03:03 John Smith wrote:
Although that brings up another issue about how coastlines are legally
defined as being at the mean low tide mark
Actually this is completely irrelevant.
In OSM the coastline is not defined that way.
--
m.v.g.,
Cartinus
Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote in
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For everyone who has never seen the sea
Commonly a sandy beach consists of a dry part with loose sand above the
high
tide line and a wet part with compact sand between the low and high tide
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote:
From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beach
Beach areas should always meet with a natural=coastline way. Do not use
this tag for patches of sand/gravel which are not by a coastline. Note
that the natural=coastline should ideally be positioned at the
2010/4/8 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beach
Beach areas should always meet with a natural=coastline way. Do not use
this tag for patches of sand/gravel which are not by a coastline. Note that
the natural=coastline should ideally be positioned
On 9 April 2010 08:33, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/4/8 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beach
Beach areas should always meet with a natural=coastline way. Do not use
this tag for patches of sand/gravel which are not by a
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