>Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 09:24:29 +0100
>From: Philip Barnes
>To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct
> marketing)
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On Sun, 2020-10-04 at 15:44 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
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> On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen wrote:
> > However, if we count that as a farm shop then the term essentially
> > becomes an alias of greengrocer.
> > A greengrocer with a single supplier, but still a greengrocer.
> >
On Mon, 2020-10-05 at 01:53 +0100, Paul Allen wrote:On Mon, 5 Oct 2020
> Nope. ID thinks you guys speak mostly Merkin. Somebody will have
> copied the Merkin language file for en_AU and maybe changed a few
> things.
> Changed
> BBQ to Barbie, stuff like that. :)
>
I do remember that some years
On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 at 00:48, Graeme Fitzpatrick
wrote:
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> On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 22:38, Paul Allen wrote:
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>>
>> I can't find that in ID. Is that the raw tag it produces or just the
>> name of
>> the preset that gives shop=farm? When I use ID that preset identifies
>> itself as farm shop but
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 22:38, Paul Allen wrote:
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> I can't find that in ID. Is that the raw tag it produces or just the name
> of
> the preset that gives shop=farm? When I use ID that preset identifies
> itself as farm shop but ID may have localized that name for American
> usage.
>
Sorry,
Yes, but long term or regular presence
if road-side sale should be viable for
tagging.
3 paź 2020, 16:02 od pelder...@gmail.com:
> I think for tagging it should be more than the occasional road-side sale?
>
> Best, Peter Elderson
>
>
> Op za 3 okt. 2020 om 14:38 schreef Paul Allen <>
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 06:46, Graeme Fitzpatrick
wrote:
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> On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen wrote:
>
>>
>> However, if we count that as a farm shop then the term essentially
>> becomes an alias of greengrocer.
>> A greengrocer with a single supplier, but still a greengrocer.
>>
>
> True,
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 04:36, stevea wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Paul Allen wrote:
> > Or maybe something like this? https://www.facebook.com/TempleBarFarm/
> > I added the farm nearly a year ago. Held off on adding what they call
> the
> > "farm shop" because it had recently moved
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> However, if we count that as a farm shop then the term essentially becomes
> an alias of greengrocer.
> A greengrocer with a single supplier, but still a greengrocer.
>
True, but under that theory, there's no difference between a convenience
On Oct 3, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Paul Allen wrote:
> Or maybe something like this? https://www.facebook.com/TempleBarFarm/
> I added the farm nearly a year ago. Held off on adding what they call the
> "farm shop" because it had recently moved from Llwynhelyg Farm across
> the road, was still
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 4:31 PM Paul Allen wrote:
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>> I would say not, by my understanding of the term. But I can't guarantee
> my understanding matches general UK usage. However, if we count that
> as a farm shop then the term essentially becomes an alias of greengrocer.
> A greengrocer with
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 00:09, Graeme Fitzpatrick
wrote:
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> On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 08:31, Paul Allen wrote:
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>>
>> More than good enough for me. It's verifiable, so ought to be good
>> enough for
>> anybody else. I'm interested in cheap test equipment, are the Avos old or
>> new? :)
>>
>
> New
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 23:41, stevea wrote:
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> especially on higher-speed primary or trunk highways in rural farming
> country as you'll get one, two or three signs: "1/2 mile ahead, fresh
> apples, stone fruits and pies!" with cheerful graphics of cherries and
> baked goods. shop=farm_stand,
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 08:03, Peter Elderson wrote:
> Is it private sale?
>
Yes
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 08:31, Paul Allen wrote:
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> More than good enough for me. It's verifiable, so ought to be good enough
> for
> anybody else. I'm interested in cheap test equipment, are the Avos old or
>
I use the tag shop=farm. It's been around for a while.
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I'm glad someone mentioned these, they are common and have been here for
decades up and down California. Like food trucks, they come and go with
frequent irregularity. Sometimes they are more-permanent, sometimes they are
ephemeral.
> On Oct 3, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 22:37, Graeme Fitzpatrick
wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 00:39, Paul Allen wrote:
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>>
>> More important is if there is a sign,
>>
>
> Hand-painted signs saying "Horse manure", "Avo's", "Firewood", "Eggs" & so
> on good enough?
>
More than good enough for me. It's
Is it private sale?
Vr gr Peter Elderson
Op za 3 okt. 2020 om 23:37 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick :
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>
>
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 00:39, Paul Allen wrote:
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>>
>> More important is if there is a sign,
>>
>
> Hand-painted signs saying "Horse manure", "Avo's", "Firewood", "Eggs" & so
> on good
On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 00:39, Paul Allen wrote:
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> More important is if there is a sign,
>
Hand-painted signs saying "Horse manure", "Avo's", "Firewood", "Eggs" & so
on good enough?
We see lot's of them whenever we go for a drive in the country, & even the
occasional one in town!
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 16:45, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
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> agreed that "game" would likely lead to problems. Technically, I am not
> sure these places the OP is asking about are "butchers".
>
In British English, they are butchers. And, in British English, a
butcher's shop
sells fresh cuts of
Am Sa., 3. Okt. 2020 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen :
> On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 13:22, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
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>> shop=* seems ok for me.
>
>
> And for me. There are "formal" shops which open only 2 days a week. Or
> have limited hours. Or surly staff. You go there and buy stuff,
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 15:05, Peter Elderson wrote:
> I think for tagging it should be more than the occasional road-side sale?
>
I think that would depend upon what you mean by "occasional." We
have opening_hours to deal with that.
More important is if there is a sign, or newspaper
I think for tagging it should be more than the occasional road-side sale?
Best, Peter Elderson
Op za 3 okt. 2020 om 14:38 schreef Paul Allen :
> On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 13:22, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
>>
>> shop=* seems ok for me.
>
>
> And for me. There are "formal" shops which open
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 13:22, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
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> shop=* seems ok for me.
And for me. There are "formal" shops which open only 2 days a week. Or
have limited hours. Or surly staff. You go there and buy stuff, it's a
shop.
> Maybe “game” would be ok as value.
>
I think not.
sent from a phone
> On 3. Oct 2020, at 12:15, Alan Mackie wrote:
>
> This seems to me to be a relative of market stalls. Smaller concerns that are
> 'staffed' but usually have very focussed or limited stock.
+1, with possibly varying merchandise according to the season or other factors.
sent from a phone
> On 2. Oct 2020, at 20:28, stevea wrote:
>
> The term "direct_marketing" is used in various dialects of English around the
> world as meaning something wholly different than your proposed usage here.
even in German it is used for a kind of advertising (sending
This seems to me to be a relative of market stalls. Smaller concerns that
are 'staffed' but usually have very focussed or limited stock. Part way
between a fullblown store and a vending machine, you would not expect to
see the facilities you might get in a "proper" shop or as many payment
means
3 paź 2020, 02:44 od frede...@remote.org:
> Hi,
>
> On 10/2/20 19:56, Wieland Kestler wrote:
>
>> I agree absolutely that somone who makes bread by itself and sells that
>> in front of its house, we should tag it by shop=bakery. So the grade of
>> „selfmadeness“ does not matter.
>>
>
> We are
Hi,
On 10/2/20 19:56, Wieland Kestler wrote:
> I agree absolutely that somone who makes bread by itself and sells that
> in front of its house, we should tag it by shop=bakery. So the grade of
> „selfmadeness“ does not matter.
We are not a business directory but a geo database. We map what
mikolon) or just „yes“? And of course the
> challenge here is to find a „craft“-value for all issues.
>
>
"direct marketing" in English means something specific - see.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_marketing
direct_sale_from_producer=yes (????)
>
>
> Thanks
&g
On 02/10/2020 14.27, stevea wrote:
Wieland, I don't have good answers to offer to you for your other
questions. However, I would say (as others have) that
"direct_marketing" absolutely IS "confusing," I go so far as to say
"incorrect" in these circumstances. The term "direct_marketing" is
used
Wieland, I don't have good answers to offer to you for your other questions.
However, I would say (as others have) that "direct_marketing" absolutely IS
"confusing," I go so far as to say "incorrect" in these circumstances. The
term "direct_marketing" is used in various dialects of English
to use? Something
> like „game“ and „horse_dung“ (separated by semikolon) or just „yes“? And of
> course the challenge here is to find a „craft“-value for all issues.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> *Von: *Niels Elgaard Larsen
> *Gesendet: *Freitag, 2. Oktober 2020
itag, 2. Oktober 2020 13:44
An: tagging@openstreetmap.org<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>
Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)
Wieland Kestler:
> Hi everyone!
>
>
>
> Due to the discussion in the german OSM-Telegram-group I made a proposal for
Wieland Kestler:
> Hi everyone!
>
>
>
> Due to the discussion in the german OSM-Telegram-group I made a proposal for
> tagging
> points where people can buy e.g. game (meat) directly from the forester.
What does "directly" mean?
That forester probably did not shoot the animal himself. He
On 02/10/2020 08:58, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
On 10/1/20 14:46, Wieland Kestler wrote:
Hi everyone!
Due to the discussion in the german OSM-Telegram-group I made a proposal
for tagging points where people can buy e.g. game (meat) directly from
the forester.
For more details see the
On 10/1/20 14:46, Wieland Kestler wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
>
>
> Due to the discussion in the german OSM-Telegram-group I made a proposal
> for tagging points where people can buy e.g. game (meat) directly from
> the forester.
>
>
>
> For more details see the proposal page:
>
sent from a phone
> On 2. Oct 2020, at 08:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
> wrote:
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> "direct marketing" using shop key
> means that there is no way to tag
> shop type in an usual way (in a shop key)
+1, it would better be a property than a shop type. Still it leaves the
question open
"direct marketing" using shop keymeans that there is no way to tag
shop type in an usual way (in a shop key)
1 paź 2020, 21:46 od redouble...@outlook.de:
>
> Hi everyone!
>
>
>
>
>
> Due to the discussion in the german OSM-Telegram-group I made a proposal for
> tagging points where people can
Wieland,
The proposed definition of this tag shop=direct_marketing is "a place where
products from own, private production can be purchased".
This is too broad. Please consider that in most countries there are no
regulations that prevent anyone from opening a small shop in front of their
home
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