Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I would not consider a freestanding statue or several of them (not in a niche > or covered or inside some other construction) , a “shrine” They are usually the same objects inside other wayside shrines

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sent from a phone > On 21. Feb 2018, at 14:12, tomoya muramoto wrote: > > * Jizo statue enshrines the spirit of Jizo, a buddhism master. So we pray to > it. that’s a good point, thank you for the background, I agree it can be seen like this. So my critique

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wikipedia has also a reference to the etymology in the first phrase: A shrine (Latin: scrinium "case or chest for books or papers"; Old French: escrin "box or case")[1] Frankly, I wouldn’t rely on wikipedia for edge cases. Cheers, Martin sent from a phone > On 21. Feb 2018, at 14:12,

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* Wikipedia shows some "shrine" without "building". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine * Jizo statue enshrines the spirit of Jizo, a buddhism master. So we pray to it. muramoto ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

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sent from a phone > On 15. Feb 2018, at 14:53, tomoya muramoto wrote: > > I added some photo example to wiki, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine Please do not add more examples to the wiki which contradict the definition (that a

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> I assumed it was a shrine for the hill it is on. Would a Mikoshi be stored so far away from the road? If there's only this building, it could be a shinto shrine (amenity=place_of_worship + religion=shinto) > Is "building=garage" standard tagging for mikoshi storage buildings of any size? It's

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Tomoya - Thanks for the translation help! I wasn't expecting that. This particular building is 300m into the forest, at the top of a small hill, accessed only by a walking trail. I assumed it was a shrine for the hill it is on. Would a Mikoshi be stored so far away from the road? I know of

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> For some context, here are 4 pictures. > https://m.imgur.com/a/cyFFn * 1st and 2nd: Shinto shrine? I cannot deside its a Shinto shrine or not. It could be a Shinto garage(Mikoshi is placed in it). If so, I would tag it as building=garage(or yes) + religion=shinto (without

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2018-02-16 13:24 GMT+01:00 tomoya muramoto : > >> >> While the shinto shrine seems to fit perfectly, I feel the statues suffer >> from the same problem as the column: there's no shrine, especially as there >> are (apparently) true jizo shrines, e.g.

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> > > I was surprised to find man_made=torii when I was napping near Mt Haruna. > I assume there are changes to the Japanese tagging that happen that I don't > notice. > > Discussion on man_made=torii is here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA_talk:Tag:religion%3Dshinto And Shinto related

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> > > > While the shinto shrine seems to fit perfectly, I feel the statues suffer > from the same problem as the column: there's no shrine, especially as there > are (apparently) true jizo shrines, e.g. http://sokukoji.org/20140101_ > jizo-shrine_640/ > Shinto small shrine and Jizo are used in

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2018-02-15 14:53 GMT+01:00 tomoya muramoto : > I added some photo example to wiki, https://wiki.openstreetmap. > org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine > > Japanese community has agreed to use historic=wayside_shrine to these > objects; > * Shinto small shrine,

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> On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > +1 to require „enshrining“ for a shrine. For some context, here are 4 pictures. https://m.imgur.com/a/cyFFn The first two is a remote Shinto shrine (building=shrine) located on a hilltop. It is a

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> On Feb 15, 2018, at 10:53 PM, tomoya muramoto > wrote: > > I added some photo example to wiki, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine Thanks for telling us about things going on in the Japanese discussions and adding examples. Please

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Javbw > On Feb 15, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > This seems to imply that wayside_cross is a subclass of wayside shrine (all > instances of crosses are also shrines)? I think it is really difficult to tease apart "memorial" from a lot of

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I added some photo example to wiki, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine Japanese community has agreed to use historic=wayside_shrine to these objects; * Shinto small shrine, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokora * Jizo, carved statue of a famous buddhist,

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2018-02-15 4:23 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > > This column seems to be like that - a religious object dedicated to a > worshipped spirit right there, nearby, or a place for locals to leave small > offerings to the dedicated spirit/dieity/god. Can be a small case for > holding very

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Javbw > On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > What do you think about the column, does it meet your expectations for > wayside shrine? If the object is religious in nature, I think it is. Very very very old wayside shrines in Japan are

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sent from a phone > On 15. Feb 2018, at 01:19, John Willis wrote: > > To me, a building=shrine / temple "enshrines" an object or offers a place for > worship of a statue or object. +1 to require „enshrining“ for a shrine. What do you think about the column, does it meet

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There are tons and tons of little singular Budda statues on a pedestal and perhaps a little roof, and people leave coins, sake, and dress them in jackets. There are also very tiny Shinto "shrines" on the top of mountains (like the size of a shoebox or microwave) that have a spot for offerings

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sent from a phone > On 12. Feb 2018, at 18:55, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > The key aspect is that it is a pilgrimage site nice research on “shrine” in catholic law, but we’re discussing “wayside shrine”, which is, as I understand it, not any shrine with a way nearby

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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > For me it is something that I would describe as shrine and it is certainly > the same in function. > > I guess that to solve that somebody should check how "shrine" tends to be > defined (I am not a native speaker

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There could be some bias on the translation. As an example, the name ID gives to it in Spanish (santuario al borde del camino=holy place close to a road) is somehow arbitrary. As most beginners read the translated tag name only, and different languages make different segmentations of reality,

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For me it is something that I would describe as shrine and it is certainly the same in function. I guess that to solve that somebody should check how "shrine" tends to be defined (I am not a native speaker of English). On 12 Feb 2018 1:30 p.m., "Martin Koppenhoefer"

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sent from a phone > On 12. Feb 2018, at 14:06, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > > For example, this Buddhist shrine doesn't seem to have any space or > cavity (the Buddha is placed on an altar, it seems). > http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=61,12053,0,0,1,0 I’m

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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:47 AM, OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > According to this description in French [1], to be defined as "oratoire" / > "shrine", there should be a cavity to exhibit something (with a cross, a > roof, etc.). Maybe the definition of a

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sent from a phone > On 12. Feb 2018, at 13:39, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > > If a symbol is sacred (even if it's a column) and people use it for > praying/worshiping, is really there any difference from a a small > building with a space inside? I think it is about

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Yes. According to this description in French [1], to be defined as "oratoire" / "shrine", there should be a cavity to exhibit something (with a cross, a roof, etc.). So, it's also my interpretation that the picture is more a column than a shrine. [1]

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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The wiki has an example for a wayside shrine which I wouldn't classify as > "shrine", it's rather a column, no space inside: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Eleonorens%C3%A4ule_Penzing.jpg If a