Re: [Tagging] Non proposed features

2010-09-08 Thread Matthias Meißer
Nice aspects Pieren, I agree your point of view concerning votes and how decissions were taken by (a smal part of) the community. Ok so your idea seem to be very familar to this idea 'garage'/incubator with the aim to discuss an feature idea more to vote on it? Yes voting is not

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010-09-08 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/8 Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx: I've never seen a locksmith shoe repair store either :-) there is a big franchise in Germany who offers exactly this: http://www.misterminit.de/ cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010-09-08 Thread Alex S.
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: craft=fashion should be fashion_designer to correpond to the translation, but still this is not a craft. I would put it in office. *I* am a craft=fashion, and *not* a fashion_designer. Specifically: custom embroidery, heat-applied vinyl, direct-to-garment screen

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010-09-08 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/8 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net: At 2010-09-07 20:28, John F. Eldredge wrote: Other arrangements are common as well, such as duplexes (buildings holding two households); the same property owner owns both halves of the building, and the land underneath both; he or she may live

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010-09-08 Thread Alex S.
John Smith wrote: On 8 September 2010 05:03, Peter Körner wrote: Looking at the tag definition, it would be a craft because it's creating custom-made things. How many lock smiths actually make something? The ones here sell and install alarm/security systems, cut keys etc... They don't make

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010-09-08 Thread Eric Jarvies
interesting... On Sep 8, 2010, at 1:56 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/8 Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx: I've never seen a locksmith shoe repair store either :-) there is a big franchise in Germany who offers exactly this: http://www.misterminit.de/ cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - power generator rationalisation

2010-09-08 Thread André Riedel
2010/9/6 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net: If you can do so without requiring that mappers happy with generator:method=gasification be forced to instead enter a more complicated mixture of tags to describe those precise processes, then I wouldn't argue against your proposal. It wouldn't interest

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010-09-08 Thread Andreas Labres
On 08.09.10 09:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: there is a big franchise in Germany who offers exactly this: http://www.misterminit.de/ In Austria http://www.misterminit.at/ they even offer ink cartridge refill ;) Happy tagging /al ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010-09-08 Thread Erik Johansson
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2010-09-04 09:12, Erik Johansson wrote: I would like to tag areas with apartment buildings, and small houses for a  single family differently, at the moment I tag all of them with  landuse=residential. I need

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - power generator rationalisation

2010-09-08 Thread Tom Chance
On 8 September 2010 09:34, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/6 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net: If you can do so without requiring that mappers happy with generator:method=gasification be forced to instead enter a more complicated mixture of tags to describe those precise

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010-09-08 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/8 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com: But wikipedia is very vague on this subject so I think it's pretty hard to be able to get good terminology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_building_types#Residential_Buildings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_tenure have a look here:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010-09-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Körner wrote: after two weeks without contradictions, I'll open up voting for the Craft proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Craft Please, this stuff belongs on tagg...@. If there is a tagging suggestion that you really really feel that talk@ HAS to know

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010-09-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Fairhurst wrote: Please, this stuff belongs on tagg...@. (and of course I should have made clear that the message was primarily intended for talk@, sent to tagging@ for information really and to reassure all the lovely people who do already post here :) ) cheers Richard -- View this

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

2010-09-08 Thread Richard Mann
Please: someone write a bot to add landmark=probably to every tree in Germany, and stop this debate. If it's a landmark, then it's worth adding a tag to say so. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] tagging single trees

2010-09-08 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/8 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: Please: someone write a bot to add landmark=probably to every tree in Germany, -1, please just for the Nürnberg area. and stop this debate. If it's a landmark, then it's worth adding a tag to say so. +1 cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010-09-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 September 2010 18:17, Alex S. m...@swavely.com wrote: A locksmith can and will customize off-the-shelf locks to fit a particular purpose. One example - master-keyed locks. Each pin-and-tumbler lock needs the single-shear pins removed and replaced with the appropriate double-shear pins.

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010-09-08 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-09-08 01:37, Erik Johansson wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2010-09-04 09:12, Erik Johansson wrote: I would like to tag areas with apartment buildings, and small houses for a single family differently, at the moment I tag all

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010-09-08 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-09-08 02:13, =?UTF-8?Q?M=E2=88=A1rtin_Koppenhoefer?= wrote: ... mobile home probably is, but I don't know what sense there is to tag it, as it has no place (it is mobile). I'm not talking about RVs/trailers/campers - I'm talking about housing that is built in 2 or 3 pieces, trucked to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - power generator rationalisation

2010-09-08 Thread Tom Chance
On 8 September 2010 11:33, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: But your proposal is not a small change of the whole power=generator system. A change of tagging for example a tidal power plant shoud not be done every month. So it would be great if you can stop your fighting to push the

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010-09-08 Thread Alan Mintz
I wrote: ... type=site + site=housing + housing={house|apartment|condominium|mobile_home|public_housing} ^^^ This should be housing_type, not housing. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010-09-08 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-09-08 05:14, Eric Jarvies wrote: or dwelling_type I chose housing because it is the commonly-used term to describe the business of building and selling residences. Also, it seems like a word more likely to be understood (not to mention pronounced :) ) by non-native English-speakers.

Re: [Tagging] Non proposed features

2010-09-08 Thread Simone Saviolo
But how do we deal with the map features list, should they be managed? Managed by who? Managed by which guidelines? If map features were really to be mantained as an official list of OSM features, then they should be somehow enforced in applications. A sort of OSM certification for consumers

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010-09-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Another complication: all examples but one on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole are metal with trusses. These do seem to be more similar visually to the large circular poles than the more complicated towers, so I would support keeping these as poles. The major difference seems to

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Feature Proposal - Voting - Craft

2010-09-08 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 8 September 2010 08:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/9/8 Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx: I've never seen a locksmith shoe repair store either :-) there is a big franchise in Germany who offers exactly this: http://www.misterminit.de/ Which can be found in

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010-09-08 Thread John F. Eldredge
One point of clarification: mobile home, in US usage, refers to a prefabricated structure that, while it can be towed by a large truck, is too large to be towed by an ordinary car or most (perhaps all) pickup trucks. Many of them are mobile only during the initial installation, and never move

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010-09-08 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/8 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net: above. Seems like these should be drawn as residential buildings and then add POIs for the shops. Of course that's a way to tag them (and it is already done widely in Europe), but when talking about typology they could merit their own type-tag.

Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments

2010-09-08 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/8 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: One point of clarification: mobile home, in US usage, refers to a prefabricated structure that, while it can be towed by a large truck, is too large to be towed by an ordinary car or most (perhaps all) pickup trucks.   Many of them are mobile

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010-09-08 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/8 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: Another complication: all examples but one on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole are metal with trusses. It's a pity. What do the English natives say, is mast a good word? Actually I think that pole isn't because it is (language)

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010-09-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/8 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: Another complication: all examples but one on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dpole are metal with trusses. It's a pity. What do the English natives

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010-09-08 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I know the definition of pole is solid cylindrical object but if you look at the examples of poles on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole) lots of them aren't solid. Why not just stick with pole and tower? Mast, while it might be used for poles/towers, is usually used in the context of

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010-09-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: When I get a chance I'm going to compile a table of all the different types I can find. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NE2/power Does anyone have a type that is not similar to any of these?

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010-09-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 September 2010 03:19, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NE2/power Does anyone have a type that is not similar to any of these? Alan posted this one: tower_type=dipole : http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/power_dipole.jpg Two

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] Re: social facility

2010-09-08 Thread Sean Horgan
Jan, Great to hear from you. This is my first time through the process as well. I spent some time going through the wiki to learn more about proposals and a key part is mailing a Request for Comments (RFC) to the OSM tagging mailing list: tagg...@openstreetmap.org. I've cc'd them on this email

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010-09-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:34 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 September 2010 03:19, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NE2/power Does anyone have a type that is not similar to any of these? Alan posted this one:

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010-09-08 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/8 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: When I get a chance I'm going to compile a table of all the different types I can find. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NE2/power Does anyone have a type that is

Re: [Tagging] power=tower or pole?

2010-09-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: in the railway context you can often find I-beams, but I'm not sure if they used for other power lines as well: http://www.dart.org/images/newsroom/preview/lrtwestofbaylor.jpg Looks like a special case of a

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] Re: social facility

2010-09-08 Thread Sam Vekemans
hi, I have 'amenity=sheltered_housing' which can be translated to amenity=social social=sheltered_housing then setup a re-direct of amenity=homeless_shelter to the above 2 tags as a pop-up 'did you mean ?' this way, its generic enough that other features can be put into 'social', and can

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] Re: social facility

2010-09-08 Thread Sean Horgan
Are you talking about this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sheltered_Housing? Also, on the amenity wiki under Entertainment, Arts Culture there is a link to a social_centre: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dsocial_centreaction=editredlink=1 It

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] Re: social facility

2010-09-08 Thread John Smith
What was wrong with the suggestions made in the previous thread about this same topic? http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-September/004278.html ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] Re: social facility

2010-09-08 Thread Sam Vekemans
... i should have said 'adding helper tags to further define a map feature' instead of 'tag redirects' :) oops. On 9/8/10, Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com wrote: Are you talking about this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sheltered_Housing? Also, on the amenity wiki

Re: [Tagging] [OpenStreetMap] Re: social facility

2010-09-08 Thread Sean Horgan
We are currently discussing those suggestions. Which do people prefer: * social * social_centre * social_facility -- Sean On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:39, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: What was wrong with the suggestions made in the previous thread about this same topic?