Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 07.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Richard Welty: On 10/7/13 1:08 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: I remember seeing such a cyclists must dismount on the narrow footway of a bridge over the James River, in Richmond, Virginia, USA. Not only was the footway narrow, [...] there's a cyclists must dismount

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 08.10.2013 20:16, schrieb Volker Schmidt: Just for your reference - while for many cases, I agree that bicycle=no is appropriate, there are quite interesting cycleways in the Czech Republic, where using bicycle=dismount for nodes on a path would make things easier for

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 7 October 2013 17:09, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: I wonder if it is useful to tag bicycle=dismount on ways. At least in Germany there is no official traffic sign despite of the existence of some. I don't think the issue here is really whether there is a need within instances of

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com f bicycle=* is currently widely used to express access rights for cycling, then I'd suggest we leave it like that, as it does the job pretty well. +1 Rather than trying to add additional values to this key to capture

Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about emergency=aed or emergency=defibrillator

2013-10-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On the units I've seen in the wild the term aed or AED appears in nearly every case, but the word defibrillator is frequently absent. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Andrew Errington Yup, in Japan they are *everywhere*,

Re: [Tagging] Call for more feedbacks about emergency=aed or emergency=defibrillator

2013-10-09 Thread Andrew Errington
On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 18:06:52 Pieren wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 12:06 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On the units I've seen in the wild the term aed or AED appears in nearly every case, but the word defibrillator is frequently absent. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Andrew

Re: [Tagging] Power tower and pole usefulness

2013-10-09 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Bryce, Did you mean you find the proposal a bit difficult to understand ? Yes it is. Nevertheless, many of tagging is optional, I can edit the document to show it in a more understandable way. This proposal doesn't prevent mappers to map large overhead transmission lines as landmark if they

[Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Tobias
Hi, I wonder if there is somebody interested in tagging large areas. I started tagging some highlands, because there is nothing compareable to this. Tagging highlands might be not so much about ground survey, because there are usually no borders with a label, but they seem to be obviously

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 Tobias cra_klinr...@gmx.de Do you have any suggestions for the tagging? this is a topic discussed several times in precedence, you can find discussions here and also on talk-de (your email suggests you understand German). Basically our data model is not very suited to tag large

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread John F. Eldredge
Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.de wrote: Am 07.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Richard Welty: On 10/7/13 1:08 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: I remember seeing such a cyclists must dismount on the narrow footway of a bridge over the James River, in Richmond, Virginia, USA. Not only was the footway

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Richard Welty
Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.de wrote: Am 07.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Richard Welty: On 10/7/13 1:08 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: I remember seeing such a cyclists must dismount on the narrow footway of a bridge over the James River, in

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com I think bicycle=no would be clearer in meaning. you can insist on this, but we are not starting to map right now, and given that bicycle has the longstanding meaning of cyclist in osm, your proposal would imply a change on this meaning --- a tag

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Michael Krämer
2013/10/9 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com this is a topic discussed several times in precedence, you can find discussions here and also on talk-de (your email suggests you understand German). Another starting point could be the following (abandoned) proposal

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Philip Barnes
Can happen where pedestrians and stopping are prohibited, but cycling is allowed. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 09/10/2013 14:55 John F. Eldredge wrote: Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.de wrote: Am 07.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Richard Welty: On 10/7/13 1:08 PM, John F.

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com 2013/10/9 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com this is a topic discussed several times in precedence, you can find discussions here and also on talk-de (your email suggests you understand German). Another starting point could be the following

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Tobias
this is a topic discussed several times in precedence, you can find discussions here and also on talk-de (your email suggests you understand German). Another starting point could be the following (abandoned) proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Region and its

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com wrote: Another starting point could be the following (abandoned) proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Region and its discussion page. Bad idea. Replace region by boundary or multipolygon and you get it.

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Tobias
this is a topic discussed several times in precedence, you can find discussions here and also on talk-de (your email suggests you understand German). I read the last discussion about natural/mapping large areas a little bit. Actually my preparation was mainly based on the missing content at

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 Tobias cra_klinr...@gmx.de It might be a better idea to start a parallel project (e.g. with shapefiles in a more adequate scale), e.g. starting with natural earths physical dataset and adding translations and refinements. This dataset could be crowdsourced and distributed in a

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com After I posted this message, I read another message suggesting bicycle:push=no, which is a better suggestion than bicycle=no. I still believe that something along foot:bicycle-pushing=no would be better, as a cyclist who dismounted his bicycle

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
btw.: here you can find maps with the natural regions (apparently complete) of Germany in 1:200.000. There is a copyright hint: © ehemaliges Institut für Landeskunde, mit freundlicher Genehmigung des Bundesinstituts für Bau-, Stadt- und

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread John F. Eldredge
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/10/9 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com After I posted this message, I read another message suggesting bicycle:push=no, which is a better suggestion than bicycle=no. I still believe that something along foot:bicycle-pushing=no

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Michael Krämer
Am 09.10.2013 16:32, schrieb Pieren: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com wrote: Another starting point could be the following (abandoned) proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Region and its discussion page. Bad idea. Replace region by

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding the idea itself I agree with Martin: I do not think something large scale and fuzzy like the Black Forest should be mapped in the database at all. If you think about this a bit longer it would totally be

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Michael Krämer
Am 09.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Pieren: I agree with you but they are already in the database, e.g. the Alps: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2698607 In fact that's a pretty good example for me: I think the line is at least off by a few kilometers near the western part of the

Re: [Tagging] Mapping the Black Forest

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/9 Pieren pier...@gmail.com I agree with you but they are already in the database, e.g. the Alps: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2698607 yes, I am aware of that, but decided to ignore them. My guess is that they will soon be broken and repeatedly be broken until at some