Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread yvecai
On 11/30/2013 06:40 PM, Egil Hjelmeland wrote: So my revised suggestion to tag a webcam public on internet is man_made=surveillance surveillance= indoor|outdoor|public * surveillance:type=camera * surveillance:zone=weather|traffic|scenic * contact:webcam=url name=* operator=* description=*

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

2013-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/12/1 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl Based on your comments, I have created a new version of the proposal for gambling features. The proposal can be found here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Gambling thanks for this effort, it now looks fine. The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/12/1 Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com You mean the cycle lane is only oneway and so bicycle=no on the road stops bikes both way? I mean that bicycle=no bans bicycles from the road, while the actual situation is that you have to use the cycleway if it leads where you are going (and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

2013-12-01 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi, I thought about this as well when I read the current proposal. In Germany there are lot's of shops that are named as being primarily for selling lottery tickets, but looking into it they are usually selling the common combination of newspapers and magazines, tobacco and so on. The lottery is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

2013-12-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 December 2013 09:47, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The only thing a little strange might be shop=lottery for shops whose main purpose is selling lottery tickets. Maybe I simply have never lived in an area where those exist, but really, I cannot recall of having ever

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Egil Hjelmeland
On 01. des. 2013 00:44, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: Am 30.11.2013 um 18:40 schrieb Egil Hjelmeland pri...@egil-hjelmeland.no: contact:webcam=url is fine, that tell we have a webcam. Do we really need anything more to tell its a webcam? I think contact:webcam is nonsense, you can't contact

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Egil Hjelmeland
On 01. des. 2013 09:52, yvecai wrote: On 11/30/2013 06:40 PM, Egil Hjelmeland wrote: So my revised suggestion to tag a webcam public on internet is man_made=surveillance surveillance= indoor|outdoor|public * surveillance:type=camera * surveillance:zone=weather|traffic|scenic *

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

2013-12-01 Thread Peter Wendorff
Thanks for these examples. Probably something like that should be added to the proosal for documentation and further classification. The proposal is very verbose with text, but hasn't much examples and images for clarifications. Adding something like the Images you linked to would be a benefit

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi, I'm not happy with contact:webcam, as the contact namespace IMHO serves a different purpose. contact:webcam could define whom to contact for questions regarding the webcam, or whom to contact BY webcam (as contact:phone is for how to contact e.g. a shop by phone). 1) I would change the order,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

2013-12-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Yes, I agree. The images I linked to are not under an open license of course, but I will ask the Spanish community if someone could take a picture. Would any of the Germans on this list perhaps be able to make a picture of a Lottoladen, prefarable a picture that both shows that it is called

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Egil Hjelmeland
On 01. des. 2013 15:28, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi, I'm not happy with contact:webcam, as the contact namespace IMHO serves a different purpose. contact:webcam could define whom to contact for questions regarding the webcam, or whom to contact BY webcam (as contact:phone is for how to contact e.g.

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 01.12.2013 16:05, schrieb Egil Hjelmeland: On 01. des. 2013 15:28, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi, I'm not happy with contact:webcam, as the contact namespace IMHO serves a different purpose. contact:webcam could define whom to contact for questions regarding the webcam, or whom to contact BY

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2013-12-01 at 00:44 +0100, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: Am 30.11.2013 um 18:40 schrieb Egil Hjelmeland pri...@egil-hjelmeland.no: contact:webcam=url is fine, that tell we have a webcam. Do we really need anything more to tell its a webcam? I think contact:webcam is nonsense,

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread yvecai
On 12/01/2013 03:18 PM, Egil Hjelmeland wrote: I am not at all interested in spending months of my life arguing about an elaborate schemes for cameras. I will just Get It Done. I can't blame you for that :) I think the key here is to use contact:webcam=url . That alone is enough to get make

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Jonathan
Yes! http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 14:28, Peter Wendorff wrote: 2) I would use url instead of contact, if it should refer to where the webcams output can be seen, whcih would lead to webcam:url=* ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Jonathan
I would agree, the contact key has not taken off and may fit for phone or fax (although the old way is still more popular) the use for webcam is back to front. Was the original intention to cover video calls like skype? Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 17:11, Peter Wendorff

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Jonathan
Yes, I was vague in my comments. What I meant was that most, fun/weather/scenic/city cams are open to all comers and therefore providing uncontrolled surveillance where at least police or council cameras are strictly regulated and their feed is largely private (except if used in court). My

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Egil Hjelmeland
On 01. des. 2013 18:11, Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 01.12.2013 16:05, schrieb Egil Hjelmeland: On 01. des. 2013 15:28, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi, I'm not happy with contact:webcam, as the contact namespace IMHO serves a different purpose. contact:webcam could define whom to contact for questions

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 01.12.2013 21:04, schrieb Egil Hjelmeland: On 01. des. 2013 18:11, Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 01.12.2013 16:05, schrieb Egil Hjelmeland: On 01. des. 2013 15:28, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi, I'm not happy with contact:webcam, as the contact namespace IMHO serves a different purpose.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 December 2013 10:04, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I mean that bicycle=no bans bicycles from the road, while the actual situation is that you have to use the cycleway if it leads where you are going (and nothing bans you from using the road). If you want to turn left

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread John F. Eldredge
On 12/01/2013 03:33 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: I think, contact should be restricted to ways of getting in contact to someone, and IMHO seeing images of a webcam is not getting in contact to the webcam or someone else. regards Peter I agree. Contact usually refers to a way to reach a person;

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-01 Thread Jonathan
Or this is how you contact someone via webcam such as with skype (BTW I realise that's not a webcam is but some people call it that) http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 21:39, John F. Eldredge wrote: On 12/01/2013 03:33 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: I think, contact should be restricted to ways

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Jonathan
:-) This whole discussion assumes cyclists obey traffic rules! In the UK cyclists ride where they like! :-) http://bigfatfrog67.me On 01/12/2013 21:38, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 1 December 2013 10:04, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I mean that bicycle=no bans

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Compliance rates among amateur operators tend to be equal across all modes. Not that professional drivers don't have their moments, but that's the only group on the road that has a higher compliance rate than amateur motorists and bicyclists. On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Jonathan

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Peter Wendorff
I would say it assumes hat cyclists in theory have to obey traffic rules and a map should reflect what they have to do, not what they do. Walkers cross lawns wherever they want if that's a shortcut and rules against that aren't enforced strictly, but we don't map any possible shortcut. regards

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 December 2013 21:38, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: I don't think this is true in the Netherlands. Situations like you describe are quite rare in the Netherlands, but I did find one:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 01.12.2013 um 20:26 schrieb Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com: However, in this instance I'm prepared to change my vote to abstain. As long as you don't vote yes all votes are counted the same as a no, an actual abstain requires to cast no vote at all Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 01.12.2013 um 22:38 schrieb Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: Perhaps the answer depends on the meaning of 'leading into the same direction' in the convention: does making a turn qualifies as going in a different direction +1 ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 01.12.2013 um 22:47 schrieb Jonathan bigfatfro...@gmail.com: :-) This whole discussion assumes cyclists obey traffic rules! In the UK cyclists ride where they like! :-) In Italy as well, but in Germany they might even withdraw your driving license (for the car) if you did certain