[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - nudism
Hi everybody, i would like to bring the tag nudism to vote Several issues of the discussion have been included in the proposal page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nudism [1] VOTING STARTS TODAY and will END ON 19.07.2014 with hopefully many votes from all of you Best regards, Heiko Am 30.08.2014 14:24, schrieb Richard Z.: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 01:08:25AM +0200, Heiko Wöhrle wrote: Hi, added a table to the page, maybe this way it is easier to see which additional cases should be added. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Heiko Wöhrle Lierstrasse 20 80639 München m 0176 56202550 Links: -- [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nudism ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
Hi, the approved and currently active proposal for bridges is not quite clear on this - the older bridge=pontoon was not obsoleted but a new bridge=yes+bridge:structure=floating was introduced with the description A bridge whose load is supported by floating on water, rather than resting on fixed supports. Typically a pontoon bridge. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bridge_types Are there floating bridges other than pontoon bridges? Should pontoon be moved into bridge:structure and replace floating? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - nudism
2014-09-02 12:03 GMT+02:00 Heiko Wöhrle m...@heikowoehrle.de: i would like to bring the tag nudism to vote Several issues of the discussion have been included in the proposal page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nudism Thank you for pushing this. In the meantime I have been in holidays and have found another interesting sign in a supermarket which said something along the lines: we kindly ask our customers to enter only in clothes - probably not referring to nudism but to people in swimming dress (it was at the seaside, but not close to the beach - approx. 1km away). More frequently you can see signs at religious places like monasteries and churches in southern catholic countries like Italy or Croatia excluding people in clothing which doesn't cover the shoulders, and sometimes also in mini skirts and shorts. In jewish places you are often required to cover your head. I wonder if we should have extra tags for this, or whether it might make sense to have a more general dress code tag that can be used for all of these instances. What is your opinion on this? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
2014-09-02 12:16 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Are there floating bridges other than pontoon bridges? yes, there are bridges supported by boats. These are generally not called pontoon. Should pontoon be moved into bridge:structure and replace floating? for me floating isn't a kind of structure, it is a way of supporting load (instead of leading it into the ground it gets supported by the water). Besides this, pontoon could maybe be a kind of structure, instead of pillar or pylon for instance, which leads to another issue: structure should probably be separated into the horizontal piece atop carrying the load of the carriageway (span, truss, beam, girder, frame, arch, post ...) and the vertical pieces getting these forces into the ground (or on the water). Sometimes this is the same (e.g. a simple arch), but often it is not. You could alternatively also expect the material / construction details of the pontoon in the tag for structure. I think bridges are a vast topic which ideally could be structures with the help of a civil engineer (even better someone specialized in bridges), to come to a solid tagging. Once the tags are developed and documented it will be very easy also for a layman to classifiy a distinct bridge in detail with very few tags. By a quick search I have found this page with english terminology: http://pghbridges.com/termsBrg.htm They do also provide some nice schemes for a few basic bridge types: http://pghbridges.com/basics.htm cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - nudism
Hi Martin, there were some other comments concerning the clothing/dresscode issue. In my opinion it is not the task of osm to adivce people about their clothing. Who would render those advices, and how? Who would search for that information on osm? Nudism is an exception, because there are special places dedicated to this issue that people want to search for on a (special) map. So i wont push that clothing issue and i don't want to connect it to the nudism-tag. But maybe you can start a separate clothing-tag proposal. best regards, Heiko Am 02.09.2014 12:24, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014-09-02 12:03 GMT+02:00 Heiko Wöhrle m...@heikowoehrle.de: i would like to bring the tag nudism to vote Several issues of the discussion have been included in the proposal page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nudism [1] Thank you for pushing this. In the meantime I have been in holidays and have found another interesting sign in a supermarket which said something along the lines: we kindly ask our customers to enter only in clothes - probably not referring to nudism but to people in swimming dress (it was at the seaside, but not close to the beach - approx. 1km away). More frequently you can see signs at religious places like monasteries and churches in southern catholic countries like Italy or Croatia excluding people in clothing which doesn't cover the shoulders, and sometimes also in mini skirts and shorts. In jewish places you are often required to cover your head. I wonder if we should have extra tags for this, or whether it might make sense to have a more general dress code tag that can be used for all of these instances. What is your opinion on this? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [2] -- Heiko Wöhrle Lierstrasse 20 80639 München m 0176 56202550 Links: -- [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nudism [2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - nudism
*Voting starts today* and will *end on 19.07.2014* with hopefully many votes from all of you I think you mean 19.09.2014 ;-) 2014-09-02 7:03 GMT-03:00 Heiko Wöhrle m...@heikowoehrle.de: Hi everybody, i would like to bring the tag nudism to vote Several issues of the discussion have been included in the proposal page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nudism *Voting starts today* and will *end on 19.07.2014* with hopefully many votes from all of you Best regards, Heiko Am 30.08.2014 14:24, schrieb Richard Z.: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 01:08:25AM +0200, Heiko Wöhrle wrote: Hi, added a table to the page, maybe this way it is easier to see which additional cases should be added. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Heiko Wöhrle Lierstrasse 20 80639 München m 0176 56202550 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cliff clarification
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/cliff_clarification This is to refine/cleanup the definition of natural=cliff in the Wiki, in order to make that existing map feature usable for applications. -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
yes, there are bridges supported by boats. These are generally not called pontoon. Wikipedia does not agree with Martin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontoon_bridge Ther are at least four boat bridges in Veneto mapped as bridge=pontoon Way 38380495 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/38380495Way 36364587 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/36364587Way 128610106 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/128610106Way 135906773 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/135906773 Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
2014-09-02 16:14 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Wikipedia does not agree with Martin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontoon_bridge it depends on the language ;-) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponton cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
Here in Western Washington we call them pontoons. See http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/SR520/Pontoons.htm We've never properly tagged the bridge type but they are pontoons. These pontoons do not look like the wiki picture, but are big boxes which are anchored to the lake/ocean floor. BTW - these are large, multilane structures with no sense of sway, except in the most extreme weather. And then they close the bridge. On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-09-02 16:14 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Wikipedia does not agree with Martin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontoon_bridge it depends on the language ;-) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponton cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
Pontoon bridge is the only term I am familiar with for such bridges. On September 2, 2014 9:55:00 AM CDT, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Here in Western Washington we call them pontoons. See http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/SR520/Pontoons.htm We've never properly tagged the bridge type but they are pontoons. These pontoons do not look like the wiki picture, but are big boxes which are anchored to the lake/ocean floor. BTW - these are large, multilane structures with no sense of sway, except in the most extreme weather. And then they close the bridge. On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-09-02 16:14 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Wikipedia does not agree with Martin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontoon_bridge it depends on the language ;-) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponton cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 04:22:34PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-09-02 16:14 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Wikipedia does not agree with Martin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontoon_bridge it depends on the language ;-) language problems are a disaster for us. Yesterday looked at suspension bridges, apparently in some parts of the world suspension is understood to mean suspended operation, abandoned or whatever. Today noticed that someone tagged a rather unusual single node object with bridge=yes + bridge:moveable=bascule https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2301185674 - it appears that in French Pont Bascule has this meaning: https://www.google.com/search?q=Pont+Basculesafe=offie=utf-8hl=engws_rd=ssltbm=isch Something like pontoon bridge is definitely much better than floating bridge which may have any number of meanings for different people - google image search is my favorite method to look for meanings. Summary, I am strongly in favor of moving pontoon to bridge:structure and forgetting about floating until someone disambiguates it from pontoon and writes a description for it in 12 languages. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
2014-09-02 17:29 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Something like pontoon bridge is definitely much better than floating bridge which may have any number of meanings for different people - google image search is my favorite method to look for meanings. IMHO floating bridge is hardly to be misunderstood when speaking about bridge types, and also the Google image search seems to confirm that this is an established term. Where ships might beconsidered pontoons when used as bridge support, or not, doesn't really change the game, it will still be a floating bridge, and also wikipedia:en confirms this (pontoon bridge or floating bridge) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
Wikipedia does not agree with Martin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontoon_bridge it depends on the language ;-) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponton ... more on the selection of the correct Wikipedia page: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontonbr%C3%BCcke :-) Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ablution area
2014-08-31 16:28 GMT+02:00 Mishari Muqbil mish...@mishari.net: How about if it was amenity=ablution and religion=* or even religion=yes? On more complex objects it will not be clear how religion tag should be applied. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
2014-09-02 17:46 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: Then again if I made a pontoon out of concrete, they'd just sink. While I generally agree with your agreement, this is not true, ships can be built out of concrete (think aircraft carriers for instance), and German universities even hold a regular competition who builds the best canoe out of (fibre)cement: http://www.betonkanu-regatta.de/ ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Unification of google-plus links
Why use contact: here, when it's not used by the majority anywhere else. +1 2014-08-29 22:46 GMT-03:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de: I don't want to change the addr:-, website-, phone-, fax- or email-key!!! I never said it. As Tobias pointed out, we have to look at the bigger pucture. Why use contact: here, when it's not used by the majority anywhere else. The contact-namespace associate, that the defined facebook- or googleplus-page are a medium to communicate with the defined object. I know a lot facebook-pages, who are created from fans or generated from a wikipedia-pages. That are mostly not a communication channel. But those unofficial (fan) pages should not be linked anyway. It would always be the official page. In addition even a lot of those pages are not really used for communication, so that seems even more like a argument against contact:, especially as mappers are not going to first figure out which company replies on google+ and which doesn't. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
On 9/2/14 1:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-09-02 17:46 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us: Then again if I made a pontoon out of concrete, they'd just sink. While I generally agree with your agreement, this is not true, ships can be built out of concrete (think aircraft carriers for instance), and German universities even hold a regular competition who builds the best canoe out of (fibre)cement: http://www.betonkanu-regatta.de/ the British built two whole artificial harbors during WWII using concrete pontoons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulberry_harbour https://www.flickr.com/photos/nfgusedautoparts/sets/72157607171004437 richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
The key is to have enough empty space at the center, so that the overall density is less than that of water. On September 2, 2014 12:12:02 PM CDT, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-09-02 17:46 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: Then again if I made a pontoon out of concrete, they'd just sink. While I generally agree with your agreement, this is not true, ships can be built out of concrete (think aircraft carriers for instance), and German universities even hold a regular competition who builds the best canoe out of (fibre)cement: http://www.betonkanu-regatta.de/ ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] floating or pontoon bridges?
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: While I generally agree with your agreement, this is not true, ships can be built out of concrete (think aircraft carriers for instance), and German universities even hold a regular competition who builds the best canoe out of (fibre)cement: http://www.betonkanu-regatta.de/ ;-) It was the part of if I made pontoons out of concrete that would sink. I watched, and even took a video, of the pontoons being floated to the new bridge. They are massive. Then again, they have to hold something like six lanes of traffic plus possible light rail traffic. -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
