Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

2015-05-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Sun, 10 May 2015 15:22:38 -0700 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: I'd say the simple answer is access=private. Anyone who has access knows they have access, and don't need OSM to tell them. That said I did just map access=permit_required + bicycle=no for a trail that anyone

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-10 Thread Andrew MacKinnon
What is distinctive is that such places usually have specialist staff and stock suitable for professionals (but often in very small businesses who would not have the volume to buy from wholesalers), and will run business accounts using trade pricesand credit for them. But they are typically

[Tagging] HOT: potential Helicopter landings leisure=common

2015-05-10 Thread Andreas Goss
Look for a clear area in the village away from houses and hills. Shift to Opencyclemap layer to evaluate if this area is flat enough, with a minimum width of 30 meter. The Scale bar can help to evaluate the distances. The image above help

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

2015-05-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I'd say the simple answer is access=private. Anyone who has access knows they have access, and don't need OSM to tell them. That said I did just map access=permit_required + bicycle=no for a trail that anyone can use, but only after buying a permit. On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Volker

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag value: surface=bare_rock

2015-05-10 Thread David Bannon
On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 09:06 +1000, Warin wrote: Hummm ... the mappers want more detail .. the renders less? This (surface=) was the topic for a long discussion last year. As you say, mappers seem to want to put more and more detail into the database. Its really a case of write only memory - you

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

2015-05-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: Do you plan to use the same prefix for vehicle, foot, ... ? Or just for the categories that you listed ? The thought here is to group all access tags, current and those invented in the future.

[Tagging] proposal - camp_site= Voting ends soon

2015-05-10 Thread David Bannon
Approaching close of vote on this proposed feature. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Camp_Site We currently have - 8 approvals 1 reject 2 abstains The 'reject' notes some use of camp_site=pitch already and suggests a conflict. If we accept that, it has implication for how

[Tagging] Maxspeed

2015-05-10 Thread Andrew MacKinnon
How do you tag speed limits on curves and highway on/off ramps? At least in Ontario, these speed limits are advisory only and signed with a yellow sign (and sometimes on curves you will see a curve speed limit sign and a higher general speed limit sign right beside each other). I have used

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

2015-05-10 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: On 10.05.2015 10:38, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: I prefer designation=* since it it already a widely used tag that fits the intended purpose of the proposed admin_title=* tag. The question on whether the value should

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag value: surface=bare_rock

2015-05-10 Thread Warin
Hummm ... the mappers want more detail .. the renders less? A solution? surface=rock rock=sandstone: limerock; granite etc ... Possibly some mappers (with little to do?) will also want surface=grass grass= buffalo; couch; etc ? Most of the surfaces I map are so variable I'm usually using

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
I have to confess that my use is based on the OSM wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface and I did not check the mother tongue of the authors :-) There are highway surfaces where pebbles are set (I suppose by hand) into some material that holds them in position (typically in

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-10 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 7 May 2015 at 06:11, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: There is confusion between monument and memorial ... suggest follow the definitions under the OSM tag historic .. where monument is large ... as in you can walk inside it, over it. memorial is small .. say a plaque Really:

[Tagging] Request to document (or retag) surface=hard/interlock/laterite

2015-05-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
surface=hard/interlock/laterite are used by some people but how these tags should be interpreted is not clear. To all people using these tags: consider using other more popular ones (surface=hard seems to be equivalent of surface=paved) or document them on wiki (I have no idea whatever road with

Re: [Tagging] Request to document (or retag) surface=hard/interlock/laterite

2015-05-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Sun, 10 May 2015 13:26:47 +0200 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: surface=hard/interlock/laterite are used by some people but how these tags should be interpreted is not clear. One may use http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9gX to find features tagged this way

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
I don't think it's the same. I am interpreting and using these two tags like this: *pebblestones* is a road surface where pebbles are set in sand or mortar (?) and is typically seen in old cities. Example: http://mapillary.com/map/im/2KnVHcwLqcyy6Qis4iWF1Q *pebbles* is similar to gravel, only

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread SomeoneElse
Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded come from? Is there any way to easily see who first contributed a particular section of a wiki page? I'm not convinced that the wiki is documenting usage in OSM here. A bit like

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 10 May 2015 at 12:03, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any good reason to avoid changing existing surface=pebbles to surface=pebblestone? I'm a native speaker of British English, and I've; never heard of pebblestones. +1 for pebbles. Google suggests useage of the

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:22:07AM -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO it would make editing and using data harder. It sounds like something that should be improved by a better interface for editors (grouping

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:29:48PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded come from? Is there any way to easily see who first contributed a particular section of a wiki page? wikiblame would do it but as

Re: [Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 03:03:14PM +0200, Richard Z. wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:29:48PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: Regardless of pebbles vs pebblestone, where did the distinction of gravel=sharp, pebblestone=rounded come from? Is there any way to easily see who first contributed a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

2015-05-10 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
I prefer designation=* since it it already a widely used tag that fits the intended purpose of the proposed admin_title=* tag. The question on whether the value should be human-readable or machine-readable can be solved by using correspondence tables to link the two. Barring such a table, I don't

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

2015-05-10 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 17.12.2014 16:25, I wrote: This is about a new attribute for administrative devisions. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/admin_title So far there were 3 alternative suggestions, which all have their drawbacks: 1) official_status: It remains unclear what the prefix means

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

2015-05-10 Thread Marc Gemis
Do you plan to use the same prefix for vehicle, foot, ... ? Or just for the categories that you listed ? regards m On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: There was discussion about the contact: prefix... now how about the access tags? There are a lot of

[Tagging] Proposed tag value: surface=bare_rock

2015-05-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Currently there is no good surface value to tag paths with bare rock as surface. Such surface occurs typically on paths through mountains. Among more common tags used for this purpose are surface=stone/rocky/rock. These are not clear and may mean also different things. Some people also used

[Tagging] surface=pebbles - surface=pebblestone ?

2015-05-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
surface=pebblestone is documented at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface and used 23 537 times. surface=pebbles is not documented and used 555 times. Both seem to have the same meaning. Is there any good reason to avoid changing existing surface=pebbles to surface=pebblestone?

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

2015-05-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Sat, 9 May 2015 21:45:46 -0700 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: There was discussion about the contact: prefix... now how about the access tags? There are a lot of them, and trying to gather and present them is very hard: hov boat motorboat canoe bulk tanker mofa moped

Re: [Tagging] access tags (was contact: tags)

2015-05-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO it would make editing and using data harder. It sounds like something that should be improved by a better interface for editors (grouping similar tags together). Exactly the problem. How can a computer tell

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-10 Thread John Willis
You show your membership card at the door for entry, and again at purchase. All services and purchases are tied to your membership account. There are some regulations that prevent certain kinds of business from being membership based - so the pharmacy in the U.S. And Japan (don't know about

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-10 Thread John Willis
That's the argument on why I can't put brake pads on my car in Japan. I can't buy anything but air filters, batteries, motor oil in Japan - so car parts stores are either jammed full of accessories or you are buying through a trade/wholesale supplier who knows you are a certified mechanic

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - admin_title=*

2015-05-10 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 10.05.2015 10:38, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: I prefer designation=* since it it already a widely used tag that fits the intended purpose of the proposed admin_title=* tag. The question on whether the value should be human-readable or machine-readable can be solved by using correspondence

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35

2015-05-10 Thread Lists
On May 10, 2015, at 10:14, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Message: 3 Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 13:31:16 +0100 From: Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-10 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 10 May 2015 at 14:33, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: Every monument is a memorial, isn't it? Monuments are large memorials. In British English yes; but the issue is that in other cultures (and languages) a monument is a historic building. See: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org/

[Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

2015-05-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
We do have here roads where access with motor vehicles is limited to residents plus residents of the town, where the road is. Example: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/H5QZAcvCLQBwhbF4u2mq7w (zoom in to read the details) How do I tag such situation? ___

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-10 Thread Janko Mihelić
ned, 10. svi 2015. 14:54 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk je napisao: Really: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Memorial ? Every monument is a memorial, isn't it? Monuments are large memorials. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-10 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Sun, 2015-05-10 at 20:08 +0900, John Willis wrote: There are some regulations that prevent certain kinds of business from being membership based - so the pharmacy in the U.S. And Japan (don't know about others) are open to everyone and have a separate, non-membership, register everyone uses