Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-16 Thread pmailkeey .
On 16 May 2015 at 04:27, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: On May 15, 2015, at 8:02 PM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: area IS landuse - it has to be (landuse=ocean ) so we get landuse=building even. Uhhh. *What?* This is a clear about-face on the landuse tag then.

Re: [Tagging] Sector, section, and cemetery

2015-05-16 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:32 PM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: How about mapping a cemetery with connected smaller cemeteries ? That's what I've done to distinguish different areas and names. Though you are of course free to do it anyway you find reasonable, I don't think it's a

Re: [Tagging] Sector, section, and cemetery

2015-05-16 Thread pmailkeey .
Changed my mind. I see no point in tagging a single parking area any different from amenity=parking, capacity=1. On 16 May 2015 at 16:28, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: On 16 May 2015 at 15:44, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: On 5/15/15 23:10 , pmailkeey . wrote: Why

Re: [Tagging] Sector, section, and cemetery

2015-05-16 Thread pmailkeey .
On 16 May 2015 at 16:54, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Changed my mind. I see no point in tagging a single parking area any different from amenity=parking, capacity=1. Let's say you use a navigation system that shows nearby parking. Then if you tag the individual spaces with

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 16.05.2015 um 15:29 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: landuse=golf_course leisure+golf_course man_made=golf_course Surely all three of these are 'obvious' when referring to a golf course ? you can think of landuse as a more or less fixed list, see here:

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-16 Thread pmailkeey .
On 16 May 2015 at 17:17, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 16.05.2015 um 15:29 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: Forest=natural ? or forest=man_made ? [=plantation or somesuch term for a human-planted forest]. or forest=plantation? man made forest

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Sat, 16 May 2015 19:19:20 +0200 Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to ask you: is there a web-site and a smartphone app where I could see all OSM data and switch things on and off? That would probably be the answer to the question. http://www.openstreetmap.org - see

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-16 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 5/16/15 1:19 PM, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: Though I strongly disagree to the idea of mapping for the renderer, I agree that there is a huge problem: a lot of data available in OSM database is effectively lost

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 16.05.2015 um 15:29 schrieb pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: Forest=natural ? or forest=man_made ? [=plantation or somesuch term for a human-planted forest]. or forest=plantation? man made forest sounds a bit presumptuous ;-) how about landcover=trees? Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-16 Thread Dave Swarthout
I use natural=tree for tagging free standing trees that have some special significance: they are separate from other trees, larger than other trees, or otherwise prominent in the landscape. On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 9:42 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: On 16 May 2015 at 17:17,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-16 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
Though I strongly disagree to the idea of mapping for the renderer, I agree that there is a huge problem: a lot of data available in OSM database is effectively lost because the renderers do not show it. Right now there is a question whether we should use ref or name to tag parts of the

Re: [Tagging] Sector, section, and cemetery

2015-05-16 Thread Andreas Goss
On 5/15/15 23:10 , pmailkeey . wrote: Why ? I don't do it with car parks. There's often a section for disabled, parent/toddler, staff - and general use. Each gets marked for its own purpose even if they abut. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dparking_space -- __

Re: [Tagging] Sector, section, and cemetery

2015-05-16 Thread Andreas Goss
Changed my mind. I see no point in tagging a single parking area any different from amenity=parking, capacity=1. Let's say you use a navigation system that shows nearby parking. Then if you tag the individual spaces with amenity=parking it will should up as several different parking lots even

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-16 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: My long tail intuition are now supported by a scientific study called Characterizing the Heterogeneity of the OpenStreetMap Data and Community, and we know even how much advanced users are there! The abstract says: All three

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-16 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 16.05.2015 20:31, Marc Gemis napisał(a): On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 5:01 AM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, there is THE (main) map at OSM.org That is just because you are not German or French, otherwise you might refer to openstreetmap.de [1] or openstreetmap.fr [2].

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-16 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 15.05.2015 14:52, Daniel Koć napisał(a): And note, that it's hard for us, advanced mappers! But I guess this project has a long tail - that means advanced users are just a tiny (even if important) part of community. So most of the work is done by casual mappers. They have iD as a tool

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
It maybe controversial, but I think we don't want everyone editing the map. I think we need some barriers to filter out people who are good mappers. Good mappers have to understand this is not a service for them, but a community. They have to understand this is not a drawn map but a database. They

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
André, you're obviously bearing some grudge against whoever makes decisions in OSM because your suggestions have been ignored. That's fine, you can do that, but please don't run around and claim that just because you are unhappy with things, Consequently, the consensus was we prefer tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-16 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Fri, 2015-05-15 at 23:03 +0100, pmailkeey . wrote: I therefore want to air the view that 'mapping for the renderer' is no longer 'wrong' by actually adding a good set of basic tags for areas, lines and points (simple English as opposed to technical English of 'nodes' and 'ways') so that

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

2015-05-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-05-15 at 16:13 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: I have seen some tight intersections, with buildings directly adjoining the roadway at all four corners, where a maxlength tag would also be useful. A passenger car or a delivery truck would be able to turn the corner, but a

[Tagging] Map Labs mapping development? (was: Re: Tagging FOR the renderer)

2015-05-16 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 16.05.2015 5:01, André Pirard napisał(a): But lately, under Is what we're doing useful?, I reported a reply from Tom Hughes [1] seeming to say that THE map is not for the general public and refusing to set a help page for it (plus saying that the documentation we make amounts to being

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-16 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 15.05.2015 19:35, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): yes, it is planned to have a real area datatype, sooner or later. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/The_Future_of_Areas [1] Great, that'd be even better! However I guess this technical step will be a simple transition and we may still

Re: [Tagging] On appointment restaurant

2015-05-16 Thread Robin `ypid` Schneider
On 16.05.2015 02:03, André Pirard wrote: On 2015-05-15 10:09, Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote : On 14.05.2015 23:17, André Pirard wrote: On 2015-05-13 16:49, Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote : Hi This can already be done, no problem. It is even described on the key page [1]. Just search for on

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-05-16 Thread John F. Eldredge
From my experience, rest areas along the US Interstate Highway system (motorways in OSM terms) usually have a designated area for this, generally on the opposite side of the parking lot from the building holding human restrooms, so that there is a reduced risk of stepping in a pet dropping for

Re: [Tagging] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-16 Thread pmailkeey .
On Sat, 16 May 2015 19:19:20 +0200 Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to ask you: is there a web-site and a smartphone app where I could see all OSM data and switch things on and off? That would probably be the answer to the question. That's what I think we

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-16 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 16.05.2015 18:41, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): There surely is some logical structure in the current osm tagging system and yes, you either look up the tags or learn them, or you will have to use presets ;-) Presets are good! But I think their primary purpose is for thing you have

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-16 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I believe that the discussion regarding amenity v landuse should consider that where amenity designates the actual use of the area as in amenity=school, landuse designates the general use of the land... in the case of the school it should be landuse=education, the same as you get

Re: [Tagging] Long Tail ( was Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-16 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I did wonder about the statement ... about 500 users in the core group of the OSM are highly networked in terms of collaboration. I wonder about that too. Someone compiled a list of the most active users on OSM