Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal: 'add=milestone'

2019-10-09 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, I just want to bring to your attention the work currently done to propose marker=* key with existing value marker=stone. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Utility_markers_proposal#Tagging This is mainly intended for utility networks but may be useful for highways

Re: [Tagging] railway crossings with cycleways

2019-10-09 Thread Warin
On 10/10/19 01:07, Vɑdɪm wrote: On the other hand the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic mentions crossings for cyclists separately (https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/conventn/Conv_road_traffic_EN.pdf): 3. (a) The standing or parking of a vehicle on the carriageway shall be prohibited:

Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal: 'add=milestone'

2019-10-09 Thread Agustin Rissoli
> > this implies road markers must be present, right? Isn’t this mainly about the > distance from some zero point, even in the absence of road distance markers? > > No, many times there are no marks, for me it does not have to be implicit I would not invent myself these numbers, I would copy

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Warin
On 09/10/19 21:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Mi., 9. Okt. 2019 um 12:46 Uhr schrieb Vɑdɪm >: Otherwise, as pointed out earlier by some people, in some contexts you'd sunbath nearly everywhere. ... In this picture you'd see 2 different

Re: [Tagging] Tagging forest parcels

2019-10-09 Thread Warin
Similar problems with other features. Possibly use a site relation? Map each individual parcel as a simple way with the reference. Then place each parcel into a site relation and then the common tags on the site relation. Something like that, look up the site relation on the wiki for

Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal: 'add=milestone'

2019-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Oct 2019, at 03:24, Jorge Aguirre wrote: > > After reading all the responses and comments made regarding this issue I > would like to modify the originally proposed tag name ('addr=milestone’) to a > new proposal to name it: ‘addr=road_marker’ - which works for

Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal: 'add=milestone'

2019-10-09 Thread Colin Smale
I would just like to make a point about mileages/kilometrages. Physically marked positions (e.g. a milestone or a sign with an address) can not be replaced by, or derived from, the actual distance along the road. These distances are not constant. Roads get diverted, split, recombined etc which

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 9. Okt. 2019 um 01:50 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 00:36, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> the way we are dealing with these distinctions of eating and drinking >> places is mostly main tags, and subtags only for subtleties. A tiki bar >> could get amenity=bar, or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Warin
On 09/10/19 20:58, Vɑdɪm wrote: Warin wrote Humm.. don't think any place here is 'designated' for sunbathing. Who has done this 'designation' for sunbathing? Actually there are some. Please have a look at the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sunbathing#Examples,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Marc Gemis
Does this include places like the one see in the images here [1] Those depict what we call ligweide or zonneweide in Dutch. Those are grass areas typically next to a open-air swimming pool. [1]

Re: [Tagging] Pedestrian and highway crossings of tramways

2019-10-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Vɑdɪm wrote: > The #2 gives railway=tram + railway=tram_crossing which seems to > be a needless repetition -- a tautology. It's easy to deduce that a > crossing on the tramway track is a crossing of the tramway track, > isn't it? This is ultimately the same issue as the one raised by Martin

[Tagging] Junction=Approach

2019-10-09 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Help, please. I have been wandering around my local area in OSM (from my armchair), looking for things that need fixing, which I either know about from going past them every day, or can easily visit. Using the iD editor and clicking on "issues" shows a large number of instances of:  ' should be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Vɑdɪm
Warin wrote > Humm.. don't think any place here is 'designated' for sunbathing. > > Who has done this 'designation' for sunbathing? Actually there are some. Please have a look at the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sunbathing#Examples, specifically at the 1st couple of them

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 9. Okt. 2019 um 12:46 Uhr schrieb Vɑdɪm : > Otherwise, as > pointed out earlier by some people, in some contexts you'd sunbath > nearly everywhere. > ... > In this picture you'd see 2 different bathing establishments > (stabilimenti balneari). One of them which is at the foreground

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-09 Thread Philip Barnes
We also map the phone number of phoneboxes using phone=. We do not generally contact phoneboxes. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 8 October 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 8. Oct 2019, at 15:40, Colin Smale via Tagging > > wrote: > > > > In that case it makes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Vɑdɪm
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 13:39, Warin [via GIS] wrote: > In Australia sunshades are to keep people out of the sun, not for > 'sunbathing'. > > Poolsides and beaches are used for sunbathing... but have no official > 'designation' for sunbathing. > > The only designated sunbathing I can find on the

Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal: 'add=milestone'

2019-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 9. Okt. 2019 um 09:00 Uhr schrieb Colin Smale : > I would just like to make a point about mileages/kilometrages. Physically > marked positions (e.g. a milestone or a sign with an address) can not be > replaced by, or derived from, the actual distance along the road. > > These distances

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Vɑdɪm
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 12:21, Marc Gemis [via GIS] wrote: > > Does this include places like the one see in the images here [1] > Those depict what we call ligweide or zonneweide in Dutch. Those are > grass areas typically next to a open-air swimming pool. > > > [1] >

Re: [Tagging] railway crossings with cycleways

2019-10-09 Thread Vɑdɪm
On the other hand the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic mentions crossings for cyclists separately (https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/conventn/Conv_road_traffic_EN.pdf): > 3. (a) The standing or parking of a vehicle on the carriageway shall be > prohibited: > (i) On pedestrian crossings,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 11:40, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: In Australia sunshades are to keep people out of the sun, not for > 'sunbathing'. > +1 Actually, it's true of the rest of the world, too. You cannot sunbathe under a sunshade. Therefore sunshades are NOT indicative that an area

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 11:10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > In Italy the only places that get the amenity=pub tags, are Irish or > British pubs (i.e. places that call themselves with English names and > usually carrying "pub" in the name, and typically selling British/Irish > beer and burgers /

Re: [Tagging] Pedestrian and highway crossings of tramways

2019-10-09 Thread Vɑdɪm
Hi Markus-5, On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 20:14, Markus-5 [via GIS] wrote: > > I don't know the situation in other countries, but in Switzerland, > pedestrian train crossing are signalised (example [1]), while > pedestrian tram crossings usually aren't (example [2]), even if the > tram runs on a

Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal: 'add=milestone'

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Funfact, in Rome there is one road, "Via Trionfale", > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_Trionfale which has housenumbers > (contrary to the rest of the city) that indicate the distance from the > capitol hill measured at the axxis of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 14:16, Vɑdɪm wrote: > > There is no any requirement for sunshades in the proposal. Good. > Albeit I think they could be used as one of the indicators. > Yeah, in the same way that a building is an indicator of an outdoor running track and a railway line is an indicator

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Vɑdɪm
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 15:40, Paul Allen [via GIS] wrote: > > Actually, it's true of the rest of the world, too.  You cannot sunbathe > under a sunshade. > Therefore sunshades are NOT indicative that an area is for sunbathing. >  Maybe, just > maybe, an area designated for sunbathing may have some

Re: [Tagging] railway crossings with cycleways

2019-10-09 Thread Vɑdɪm
Paul Johnson-3 wrote > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 7:58 AM Martin Koppenhoefer > dieterdreist@ > > wrote: > > I'm strongly inclined to consider a cycleway a road, not a footway. How is about a shared way for pedestrians and bicyclists ?

[Tagging] Tagging forest parcels

2019-10-09 Thread David Marchal
Hello, there. My question is simple: how do we tag such things? The boundary=forest_compartment relation is not rendered, and what is rendered is tagging as landuse=forest both the forest and its parcels, which leads to rendering it twice, as you can see here:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Vɑdɪm
Paul Allen wrote > On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 14:16, Vɑdɪm > vadp.devl@ > wrote: > I'm not convinced your > proposal is > useful anyway, so would probably abstain, but if your proposal says that > sunshades > are indicative of sunbathing areas I will definitely vote against it. Please help

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
ebel wrote: > I've used `theme=irish` once or twice. But I don't think anyone > else does, and it's not supported. I asked about cycle cafés a while back (e.g. https://www.cafe-ventoux.cc) and the consensus was also to use theme:

Re: [Tagging] Pedestrian and highway crossings of tramways

2019-10-09 Thread Markus
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 14:58, Vɑdɪm wrote: > > You're assuming here some default features of a crossing which is not > railway=crossing is about. It's a mere indication that a crossing exists at > a specific location along the railway=* way. [...] You're right. In that case, it probably makes

Re: [Tagging] Pedestrian and highway crossings of tramways

2019-10-09 Thread Markus
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 18:37, Markus wrote: > > The problem here is that pedestrians are routed along the highway=* > way and, as you wrote, tram tracks are usually (unfortunately) mapped > as separate ways. Consequently, the railway=crossing node is > disconnected from the highway=* way with the

Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal: 'add=milestone'

2019-10-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 9. Okt. 2019 um 15:11 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > ...some mad king throwing darts at a map: if it looks like a house number, > is treated like a house > number, and appears on the house/gate/whatever as a house number, then > it's a house number. > House numbers don't have to be sequential

Re: [Tagging] Tagging forest parcels

2019-10-09 Thread Leif Rasmussen
I'd go with landuse=forestry on the property, a tag that was suggested here a while back. This isn't official or anything, but moving towards tagging forest parcels differently from the trees seems important. On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 3:32 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > 9 Oct 2019, 18:11 by

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
e it's >for people >who wish to sit in the shade in a hot climate. >>-- >Paul >-- next part ------ >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: ><http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20191009/47822684/attachment-0001.html&g

Re: [Tagging] Tagging forest parcels

2019-10-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
9 Oct 2019, 18:11 by pene...@live.fr: > Hello, there. > > My question is simple: how do we tag such things? The > boundary=forest_compartment relation is not rendered, and what is rendered is > tagging as landuse=forest both the forest and its parcels, which leads to > rendering it twice,

Re: [Tagging] Junction=Approach

2019-10-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
9 Oct 2019, 11:57 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > Any advice on how I can deal with these?   > I would consider checking history of some cases and contact whoever added this. Probably via changeset comments, skipping ones who are no longer active. But for me it sounds like tag that can be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 00:30, Vɑdɪm wrote: > > As for sunshades (or parasoles), they are used by sunbathers en masse, in > particular to cast a shadow on the face. > Maybe at the places that you sunbathe, but certainly not everywhere!