Re: [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Alan Mintz
With regard to apartment complexes, condo complexes, mobile home complexes, and gated single-family-home complexes, I usually tag: - The ways that cross the boundary line from public street into the complex are highway=service*** + service=driveway. These are also role=access in the relation. -

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Pieren wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> noname=yes >> > > Oh dear. What is the next step, noname=yes on all unnamed buildings if > KeepRight tells you it is an error ? Nobody would expect every last building to be named. People generally expect streets to be

Re: [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Anthony writes: > Regarding the apartment complex, the parcel data is not out of date. > That's just the way apartment complexes are parceled here. There's > only one owner. Condominium associations would have a separate parcel > for shared areas, because there's more than one owner. ok - tha

Re: [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > Well, that's how I would tend to see it, but it being in practice street > like and large and having a name makes it feel like it's fair to label > it as if it were a private way.  I wonder if it really is a private way > and the parcel data is

Re: [Tagging] shared driveways (was How to tag un-named roundabout?)

2009-11-20 Thread Richard Mann
You maybe ain't going to like this, but the usual distinction in the UK is that residentials are (typically) 6m+ wide and have pavements/sidewalks, whereas service is for urban roads which don't have pavements/sidewalks. Richrd On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Fri, Nov 20, 2

Re: [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Stephen Hope
Here in Brisbane, we have a 'private way' going from the motorway out to the airport. It is several km long, divided multilane road that looks like a motorway, but is all on airport owned land. It is open to the public, and you can get booked by the police for traffic offences. However, because it

Re: [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Please don't take the following as me arguing with you. I'm just trying to understand. No problem - it's a useful discussion and a hard question. I think the bottom line is that one has to understand the actual legal/use distinctions made by the experts, and then figure out how much of that

Re: [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Anthony writes: > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: >> Anthony writes: >>> But I've come across situations where the unnamed road is not a >>> roundabout, though. In one of these cases I used >>> highway=unclassified, because it was just a dirt road that was really >>> just

[Tagging] shared driveways (was How to tag un-named roundabout?)

2009-11-20 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > Anthony writes: >> But I've come across situations where the unnamed road is not a >> roundabout, though.  In one of these cases I used >> highway=unclassified, because it was just a dirt road that was really >> just a shared driveway (it was

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Anthony writes: > Thanks. In this case I think recognizing that the way is part of a > roundabout is probably sufficient. A large portion of roundabouts > don't have names, right? I think that's true. Really what the rules and lint tags are about is expressing a rule that is true sufficientl

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > Anthony writes: >> Is lint:noname a tag which is already in use?  If not, something like >> lint:name=nocheck would probably be more easily extensible. > > No, I made it up.  Your idea is much better. > Thanks. In this case I think recognizin

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Anthony writes: > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: >> >> Anthony writes: >> >>> Still, there are times when it's tempting to add some sort of [sic] >>> tag, to say "I know it's weird, but this is correct". >> >> Agreed, but perhaps these should all be >> >> lint:noname=yes

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Anthony writes: > >> Still, there are times when it's tempting to add some sort of [sic] >> tag, to say "I know it's weird, but this is correct". > > Agreed, but perhaps these should all be > > lint:noname=yes > > so that it's obvious that

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Anthony writes: > Still, there are times when it's tempting to add some sort of [sic] > tag, to say "I know it's weird, but this is correct". Agreed, but perhaps these should all be lint:noname=yes so that it's obvious that the entire point is a hint to checkers, just like markign up source c

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Anthony
I'm reminded of maxspeed=none, and the argument that "defaults should not be tagged explicitly". Still, there are times when it's tempting to add some sort of [sic] tag, to say "I know it's weird, but this is correct". ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@o

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Dave F.
Mike N. wrote: > highway=road is like leaving an implied FIXME=yes tag, according to the > wiki. I'd prefer the nonname=yes workaround, if any. We need to be clear on this - Highway=* & name=* are mutually exclusive. You can't substitute one for the other. Highway=* is compulsory, name=* is o

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Mike N.
> Not sure. It's a guess. Changing the highway category to "road" might > disable the check in KeepRight. highway=road is like leaving an implied FIXME=yes tag, according to the wiki. I'd prefer the nonname=yes workaround, if any. I mentioned KeepRight, but it turns out that KeepRight and

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Mike N.
> You seem a bit unclear. Do you mean name as in name=The Cyril Smith > Roundabout or highway=trunk etc? I was referring to whether the name= tag is required. Thanks for the answers, the consensus is that it is not required for roundabouts with no name. > If the former, not all have a na

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Dave F. wrote: > No Pieren > Even if it has a junction=roundabout tag it's still an error without a > highway=* tag, which is what I think Mike N. was talking about in the OP. > Not sure. It's a guess. Changing the highway category to "road" might disable the check

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Dave F.
Pieren wrote: > Well, if it is really a roundabout, it is already tagged with > junction=roundabout. What we need is that KeepRight does NOT consider > as an error an unnamed highway with junction=roundabout. > > Pieren > No Pieren Even if it has a junction=roundabout tag it's still an error wit

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Richard Mann
Excuse my ignorance. Junction=roundabout is the right tag. I was just keeping the load down on the wiki server. :) Richard On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM, G Zamboni wrote: > I agree that noname=yes is not a good solution, but I don't understand why > roundabout=yes... > Junction=roundabout i

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Richard Mann wrote: > I'd tend to agree that noname=yes is the wrong approach, but maybe there > should be something like roundabout=yes, since that is positively useful > information. > Richard > Well, if it is really a roundabout, it is already tagged with junc

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread G Zamboni
I agree that noname=yes is not a good solution, but I don't understand why roundabout=yes... Junction=roundabout isn't enough? Bye Giuliano Richard Mann ha scritto: I'd tend to agree that noname=yes is the wrong approach, but maybe there should be something like roundabout=yes, since that

Re: [Tagging] How to tag un-named roundabout?

2009-11-20 Thread Richard Mann
I'd tend to agree that noname=yes is the wrong approach, but maybe there should be something like roundabout=yes, since that is positively useful information. Richard On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Pieren wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Paul Johnson > wrote: > > > noname=yes > >