Re: [Tagging] Fixed position GPS receivers

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
Here's a sample generated from NASA site log files: Just to make things more interesting, the lat/lon given for some/all sites are in country or region specific datums, eg Australian locations use GDA94, but the site log file can't automatically be parsed for which datum is used. ___

Re: [Tagging] Fixed position GPS receivers

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dmonitoring_station ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] FW: FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Tyler Gunn wrote: > > > Access=private works fine, then (along with access=public > > andaccess=permissive).  Preferably with an additional tag (or relation) > > withsome indication of who is allowed to park there. > > Maybe access=customer isn't needed after all.

Re: [Tagging] Fixed position GPS receivers

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 May 2010 10:42, John Smith wrote: > man_made=monitoring_station There are other types of monitoring stations, if you visit the webtrak site it shows noise monitoring stations: http://www331.webtrak-lochard.com/webtrak/bne3 ___ Tagging mailing li

Re: [Tagging] Fixed position GPS receivers

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 20:21, John Smith wrote: >> Interesting site list. How about importing it into OSM ? > > I'm working on parsing the data at present, should have something > completed soon. I'm still tweaking the script to deal with the log files, there is some small differences between the files,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Garden specification)

2010-05-19 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Stephen Hope napsal(a): > 2010/5/19 "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" : >> landuse=recreation_ground OR landuse=residential - do you know any >> garden that is outside those two areas? >> > > Formal gardens/landscaping around commercial and public buildings? > > The gardens at a parliament house, library

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Garden specification)

2010-05-19 Thread Stephen Hope
2010/5/19 "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" : > landuse=recreation_ground OR landuse=residential - do you know any > garden that is outside those two areas? > Formal gardens/landscaping around commercial and public buildings? The gardens at a parliament house, library etc may be considered recreational b

Re: [Tagging] FW: FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Tyler Gunn wrote: > I think in most circumstances it is probably pretty clear which business a > parking lot is intended for though. > Agreed, although the situations in which it's not so clear are the ones where OSM could really get an advantage over the competi

Re: [Tagging] FW: FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Tyler Gunn
> Access=private works fine, then (along with access=public > andaccess=permissive).  Preferably with an additional tag (or relation) > withsome indication of who is allowed to park there. > Maybe access=customer isn't needed after all. How about something like: access=private permitted=patron/pe

Re: [Tagging] FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 May 2010 07:01, Anthony wrote: > The car park is the destination by car for going anywhere, if what you are > doing is parking there. You can only park there if that is your allowed destination. > Access=destination would be for a public parking lot with a sign that says > "no through traf

Re: [Tagging] FW: FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Seventy 7
Yes, exactly. I couldn't have put it better myself!! From: tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org[mailto:tagging-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Sent: 19 May 2010 21:36 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] FW: Parking for businesses..   On Wed, May

Re: [Tagging] FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:55 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 20 May 2010 06:28, Anthony wrote: > > One problem I have with the concept of "access=destination", even beyond > the > > fact that it says "right of access", is that parking lots quite often > aren't > > connected to the places they serve.

Re: [Tagging] FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 May 2010 06:28, Anthony wrote: > One problem I have with the concept of "access=destination", even beyond the > fact that it says "right of access", is that parking lots quite often aren't > connected to the places they serve. Something like access=customer is > therefore *more general*. T

Re: [Tagging] Fixed position GPS receivers

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 22:01, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > yes, I'd say that's much better, even though I would probably stick a > note that this is about plate tectonics monitoring. I'll just document it on the wiki, and there is lots code development going on to link tags to wiki pages. > yes, I guess

Re: [Tagging] FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Seventy 7 wrote: > I'm looking at a city centre I'm going to visit, I'm looking out for blue > Ps. I don't really care if they're commercial car parks or not. > So you want access=public (publicly owned parking) or access=permissive (commercial car parks which al

Re: [Tagging] FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Anthony
I don't think you're picking on me. In fact, I think you ask the right questions. One problem I have with the concept of "access=destination", even beyond the fact that it says "right of access", is that parking lots quite often aren't connected to the places they serve. Something like access=cu

Re: [Tagging] FW: Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Seventy 7
Ok, so what exactly are we trying to achieve here? What are these tags going to be used for - who, why and when? We can have as many classifications as we like, but why? They only lead to confusion and differences in interpretation. I'm not picking on Anthony here, his is just the email I happen

Re: [Tagging] Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Phil! Gold wrote: > * Anthony [2010-05-18 20:47 -0400]: > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Tyler Gunn wrote: > > > Almost all of these types of parking lots will have some kind of > > > notice that tow-away is enforced for unauthorized parking. So the > gene

[Tagging] odd Fences { was Re: Landuse border alignment}

2010-05-19 Thread Bill Ricker
>> Why would there be a fence within an unmaintained woodland? > Fences are commonly used to demarcate ownership. > unmaintained <> unowned +1 1) Fences indicate a FORMER or CURRENT ownership (thus plot) boundary, OR current or former landuse boundary within one ownership, eg planted field or pas

Re: [Tagging] Parking for businesses..

2010-05-19 Thread Phil! Gold
* Anthony [2010-05-18 20:47 -0400]: > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Tyler Gunn wrote: > > Almost all of these types of parking lots will have some kind of > > notice that tow-away is enforced for unauthorized parking. So the general > > idea is you're free to park there, ONLY if you're visit

Re: [Tagging] Landuse border alignment

2010-05-19 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Liz napsal(a): > On Sat, 15 May 2010, Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: >> and the last, >> most puzzling is landuse=basin "An area of water that drains into a >> river."... >> > wow, there are some pretty huge ones of those > like the Amazon basin > the Lake Eyre basin > the Mississipi basin > the f

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Garden specification)

2010-05-19 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer napsal(a): >> landuse=recreation_ground OR landuse=residential - do you know any >> garden that is outside those two areas? > > IMHO all castle gardens, as I wrote above. > this one probably is inside "recreation_ground" > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.547484&lon=13.3874

Re: [Tagging] Fixed position GPS receivers

2010-05-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/19 John Smith : > how about using man_made=gps_monitoring_station instead then? yes, I'd say that's much better, even though I would probably stick a note that this is about plate tectonics monitoring. > While that is a nice idea, it doesn't pan out that way in reality for > various reas

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Garden specification)

2010-05-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/5/19 "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" : ? No, it is useful for castles and other representational gardens as well. Why would you restrict it to residencial areas? I mean, at least that would be quite a change from the current definition. > > landuse=recreation_ground OR landuse=residen

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Garden specification)

2010-05-19 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Jonathan Bennett napsal(a): > On 18/05/2010 21:56, "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" wrote: >> maybe even landuse=allotments if anyone wants to tag each property >> separately. > > Nope. That would be allotment=plot or something. Each plot is not a > separate garden, but just the parcel of land allocated

Re: [Tagging] Fixed position GPS receivers

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 20:05, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote: > Interesting site list. How about importing it into OSM ? I'm working on parsing the data at present, should have something completed soon. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lis

Re: [Tagging] Fixed position GPS receivers

2010-05-19 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton
Le 19/05/2010 06:35, John Smith a écrit : > NASA has a list of 421 of these sites located world wide: > > http://igscb.jpl.nasa.gov/network/list.html > > "The IGS is a voluntary federation of many worldwide agencies that > pool resources and permanent GNSS station data to generate precise > GNSS pr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Garden specification)

2010-05-19 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 18/05/2010 21:56, "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]" wrote: > maybe even landuse=allotments if anyone wants to tag each property > separately. Nope. That would be allotment=plot or something. Each plot is not a separate garden, but just the parcel of land allocated to a tenant. -- Jonathan (allotment

Re: [Tagging] Fixed position GPS receivers

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 19:38, Pieren wrote: > plus a note="Regularly reassess the position after a significant tectonic > plates movement, like once every million years or after an earthquake" While earth quakes will allow the plates to shift suddenly, all of the plates are constantly moving, the Austral

Re: [Tagging] Fixed position GPS receivers

2010-05-19 Thread Pieren
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Roy Wallace wrote: > There's no need to lose information - just use other additional tags. > How about man_made=survey_point + > survey_point=fancy_tectonic_whatever_thing? > > +1 plus a note="Regularly reassess the position after a significant tectonic plates mov