Re: [Tagging] Formerly proposed highways

2011-05-02 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/1 Andrew Cleveland evil.salt...@gmail.com:
 Can the highway=proposed tag apply to highways which were proposed but
 are no longer?


no, IMHO highway=proposed doesn't apply. This would not be a proposed
(planned) highway but a formerly proposed highway. If you want to put
them into OSM nonetheless (many mappers are objecting to this kind of
data), please use another tag.

Cheers,
Martin

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[Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread Pieren
To stop a beginning of edit war (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:historicaction=history),
I would like try something new and ask your feedback about the tag
history=event wiki page.

This tag is the result of a former discussion about immaterial historical
significant events on this ML (
http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/What-to-map-a-site-of-historical-significants-td6300403.html
).

Since every one is allowed to add almost every thing in the database (as
soon as it is verifiable), the question is not to vote or approve a tag
(since the definition is quite clear) but only if this tag can be referenced
in the Map Features (remember the wiki page that defines itself as
agreeing to a recommended set of features). If a majority does not like
it, the wiki page remains but it is not referenced in the Map Features
(helping those who are searching about historic events or finds the tag in
the db).
To participate, it's here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Devent

Pieren
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Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/2 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
 To stop a beginning of edit war
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:historicaction=history),
 I would like try something new and ask your feedback about the tag
 history=event wiki page.

 This tag is the result of a former discussion about immaterial historical
 significant events on this ML
 (http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/What-to-map-a-site-of-historical-significants-td6300403.html).

 Since every one is allowed to add almost every thing in the database (as
 soon as it is verifiable), the question is not to vote or approve a tag
 (since the definition is quite clear) but only if this tag can be referenced
 in the Map Features (remember the wiki page that defines itself as
 agreeing to a recommended set of features). If a majority does not like
 it, the wiki page remains but it is not referenced in the Map Features
 (helping those who are searching about historic events or finds the tag in
 the db).
 To participate, it's here:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Devent


Thank you Pieren. I would use event:date instead of date. To make
it more useful there should IMHO also be a list of suggested
event-types (like the suggested robbery) (I'd simply start with a few
suggestions from the thread and add everything else that might be
needed at the time it is used).

To reduce the danger of edit wars: what about _not_ defining the
events explicitly significant (most of German Wikipedia disputes are
about relevance criteria and I'd rather avoid similar discussions in
OSM if possible). Of course we all expect only significant events to
be mapped, but requiring it explicitly will encourage others to delete
stuff and say: but it was not significant (enough).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2011 02:02, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
 To reduce the danger of edit wars: what about _not_ defining the
 events explicitly significant (most of German Wikipedia disputes are
 about relevance criteria and I'd rather avoid similar discussions in
 OSM if possible). Of course we all expect only significant events to
 be mapped, but requiring it explicitly will encourage others to delete
 stuff and say: but it was not significant (enough).

historic=battlefield is being lumped in with this vote as both are
non-physical in the long term and so some people think both shouldn't
be in OSM.

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Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread John Smith
After digging further into this, and with all XAPI servers seemingly
unresponsive I looked toward tagwatch, the following are historic
values of curious note:


yes (5053)
pa (2138)
battlefield (331)
Altstraße (80)
heritage (76)
tumulus (60)
industrial (54)
coat_of_arms (54)
hollow_way (41)
road (37)
quarry (36)
lavoir (33)
UNESCO_world_heritage (33)
re (32)
railway_station (31)

Personally I think historic=yes isn't a good idea, since you have to
do further digging to be able to classify things, where as stipulating
why it's historic is of much better value.

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