Re: [Tagging] second_hand shops

2011-11-06 Thread Georg Feddern

Am 05.11.2011 15:49, schrieb Tobias Johansson:


I think it would be good with two values. only and both, to make a
distinction between purly second hand shops and second hand shops that
also sells new items.


+1


  (maybee second_hand=yes could subbstitute only



-1

If you want to differentiate between 'also' and 'only' you will have to 
be precise.

'Yes' is ambigious for both cases.
E. g. I would see 'secondhand=yes' as as shop which sells normally new 
items but also secondhand - in opposite to 'secondhand=only'.


But while I would look for a furniture or clothes shop which sells 
second hand - I would look for a 'second hand shop' if I am looking for 
IT, electronics, games or other small stuff.

At least here in Germany.

BTW:
A 'shop=car' mostly sells second hand also ... or only.

Georg

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=disc_golf_course

2011-11-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/11/6 Johan Jönsson joha...@goteborg.cc:
 It will be nice with a physical tag for the place to play disc_golf.

 As the course it self probably could be found in a larger wood or park without
 any clear boundaries of where the course are it is probably best not to try to
 mark a whole area.


I would try to estimate the area extension and hope that someone later
might refine it in case of errors. You better have an approximation of
the area instead of a node or a new type or relation that nobody
parses.

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=disc_golf_course

2011-11-06 Thread Johan Jönsson
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist@... writes:

 2011/11/6 Johan Jönsson johan.j at goteborg.cc:
  It will be nice with a physical tag for the place to play disc_golf.
 
  As the course it self probably could be found in a larger wood or park 
  without any clear boundaries of where the course are it is probably 
  best not to try to mark a whole area.
 
 I would try to estimate the area extension and hope that someone later
 might refine it in case of errors. You better have an approximation of
 the area instead of a node or a new type or relation that nobody
 parses.
 
I have used leisure=park, sport=disc_golf for an approximate area holding the
holes. It is really nothing that separates this area from the surrounding park,
except for the danger of flying discs. Is this a method used elsewhere? 
Taking a part of a bigger area and subtagging it with sport=x.

But as said before, there is no problems with introducing a new leisure-value.
Then people can use the tag as they want, for a relation, an area or a node.

/Johan Jönson






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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - second_hand shops

2011-11-06 Thread Ferenc Veres
Hi all,

Thanks for all feedback. I created a Wiki page for the proposal,
summarizing most of what we discussed.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Second_Hand_Shops

Please add there or here if something is not cool.

Ferenc
[kempelen]
ps: I reply to same thread to keep it in one place. May be a bad idea..

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - second_hand shops

2011-11-06 Thread Laurence Penney
Sorry to be late chiming in.

About a year ago Sean Horgan, Craig Wallace and I thrashed out some ideas for 
charity shops. It just seemed wrong not to tag an Oxfam bookshop as shop=books! 
The discussion was fruitful although, reprehensibly, we didn't put anything in 
the wiki.

I think Craig's proposal for Oxfam bookshops was the best:

shop=books
operator=Oxfam
operator:type=charity

If you click previous and next message from here you'll get the idea...

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-December/005982.html

It now seems a good idea to add second_hand=only to the Oxfam bookshop tags.

We did in fact suggest that shop=second_hand would be fine for a general 
second-hand shop, such as Cash Converters (if you ignore their other roles), or 
even for a non-specialized charity shop. What else should one put? shop=stuff? 
Note that shop=charity continues to do the job in practice - in the UK at least 
it's pretty clear what it means, though some charity-run bookshops and clothes 
shops will attract the tag too.
Taginfo stats:

shop=charity 660
shop=thrift 75
shop=second_hand 693
operator:type=cooperative 3

- L

On 6 Nov 2011, at 22:42, Ferenc Veres wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Thanks for all feedback. I created a Wiki page for the proposal,
 summarizing most of what we discussed.
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Second_Hand_Shops
 
 Please add there or here if something is not cool.
 
 Ferenc
 [kempelen]
 ps: I reply to same thread to keep it in one place. May be a bad idea..
 
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