Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 17:33 +0200, André Pirard wrote: > On 2012-09-17 16:57, David ``Smith'' wrote : > > Excuse me if I don't understand the situation entirely, but I think > > the problem is the actual access restriction or enforcement of it is > > different from a literal reading of the signs.

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Martin Vonwald
Am 17.09.2012 um 17:33 schrieb André Pirard : > But the legal terms say that C23 is a signal you can't pass, one way, that's > all. I would use a pragmatic approach here: from the position where the signs is up to the next junction or end of this osm-way (one, single way; no connected, followi

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi André, Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 17:10:11 schrieb André Pirard: > In this C23 case, heavy vehicles are forbidden to go to Esneux, not to > leave it. > That would be extra fun; you have understood that, politically, the > restriction is *before* the sign. > One way restriction. > And, to

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-17 16:57, David ``Smith'' wrote : Excuse me if I don't understand the situation entirely, but I think the problem is the actual access restriction or enforcement of it is different from a literal reading of the signs. This must be the case if the signs don't give adequate informati

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi David, Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 10:57:16 schrieb David ``Smith'': > Excuse me if I don't understand the situation entirely, but I think the > problem is the actual access restriction or enforcement of it is different > from a literal reading of the signs. This must be the case if the sig

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread André Pirard
On 2012-09-17 16:05,  Richard Mann wrote : It looks like it's just inside the village (commune?) boundary. Maybe they mean the whole village? No, that would stop commerce on the very much important N633 through Esneux. Behind the scene if you want to know, und

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread David ``Smith''
Excuse me if I don't understand the situation entirely, but I think the problem is the actual access restriction or enforcement of it is different from a literal reading of the signs. This must be the case if the signs don't give adequate information to completely describe the restriction. In that

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/9/17 Philip Barnes > -1 > > The restriction applies to all nodes within the area, not just passing the > sign. I do not think a node is appropriate in this case. > If I understood André correct, there is only one sign. So there is no "area within" unless you want to add the whole world ;-)

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Philip Barnes
-1 The restriction applies to all nodes within the area, not just passing the sign. I do not think a node is appropriate in this case. I suspect this should be a relation. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 17/09/2012 15:04 Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! 2012/9/17 André Pirard But now what does

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Martin, Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 16:04:19 schrieb Martin Vonwald: > My two cents: we should allow such kind of restriction to be placed on a > node, because that's the way they work. They are just some kind of "legal > barrier" and barriers on a road we (usually) map as a node. that wou

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Richard Mann
It looks like it's just inside the village (commune?) boundary. Maybe they mean the whole village? On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:55 PM, André Pirard wrote: > ** > Hi, > > Summary: setting access restrictions on ways sometimes (often?) > inappropriate > Full story and conclusions: ... > > At 50.5308

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! 2012/9/17 André Pirard > ** > But now what does that highway code tell us about C23 after all? > "accès interdit" = "forbidden access": to where? To behind the sign, of > course. > Unlike C43 speed limit below which is bound to say "up to the next > crossing" to tell you where you can speed

Re: [Tagging] Precise and terse tracing

2012-09-17 Thread Philip Barnes
Surely a lift gate on a motorway will be a tollgate? If you do map a lift gate make sure you tag access = yes, otherwise routers will stall at that point. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 17/09/2012 14:21 te...@free.fr wrote: "Martin Koppenhoefer" said: > I think that your article is miss

[Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread André Pirard
Hi, Summary: setting access restrictions on ways sometimes (often?) inappropriate Full story and conclusions: ... At 50.5308 5.5959, there's a C23 road sign (below) towards NW town Esneux. As understood with common sense, they don't want heavy

Re: [Tagging] Precise and terse tracing

2012-09-17 Thread teuxe
"Martin Koppenhoefer" said: > I think that your article is missing one fundamental point when it comes > to ideal node positions: that of intersections. I usually put a node on > every intersection with other roads (or even driveways), because even if > these intersecting roads are not yet mapped

Re: [Tagging] Precise and terse tracing

2012-09-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 17.09.2012 um 03:40 schrieb André Pirard : > Any remark regarding meaning or language welcome. First of all I'd like to thank you for bringing this up, I also believe that precise position of nodes is desirable, avoiding at the same time superfluous nodes. I think that your article is

Re: [Tagging] Precise and terse tracing

2012-09-17 Thread teuxe
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