Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi, just seen that there is more FUD that needs to be adressed: Am Dienstag, 18. September 2012, 23:15:57 schrieb Rob Nickerson: * No variable parts in the key. This is essential as keys are used to search for data in the OSM database. If a key comprises a variable part it can no longer be

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi David, Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 08:26:07 schrieb David ``Smith'': Wouldn't that be... access access:conditional vehicle vehicle:conditional motor_vehicle motor_vehicle:conditional hgv hgv:conditional ...? Actually, no. To quote: For access restrictions it is *allowed* to use

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread SomeoneElse
To echo Sir Humphrey*, my first reaction was beautifully typed. My second reaction was as follows: What attempt has been made to get editor support for this proposal? Without it no-one, apart from the dwindling proportion voting on the wiki, will ever even have heard of it. Without editor

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Eckhart Wörner wrote: Am Dienstag, 18. September 2012, 23:15:57 schrieb Rob Nickerson: Variable parts in keys will also lead to an undesired proliferation of unique keys. This is the only argument that is not completely broken, and it has two sides: the Extended

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Ilpo, Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 15:45:44 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen: * Avoids the requirement for problematic characters in the key such as or Which is a huge problem for data consumers that process XML using regular expressions, and nobody else. This is a false claim.

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Ilpo, Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 15:45:44 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen: Variable parts in keys will also lead to an undesired proliferation of unique keys. This is the only argument that is not completely broken, and it has two sides: the Extended Conditions proposal has a

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 19.09.2012 14:44, SomeoneElse wrote: What attempt has been made to get editor support for this proposal? Tagging ideas are often documented (as a proposal or elsewhere) first, then actually used in the database, and only then added to editors. At this point, a JOSM/Potlatch patch would

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Ronnie Soak
Eckhart, Ich habe gerade eine Spalte für das Extended Conditions Schema zur Beispieltabelle auf der Diskussionsseite des Conditional Restriction Schemas hinzugefügt. [1] (Warum hat das Extended Conditions Schema eigentlich keine Beispiele?) Würdest du mir helfen die Lücken zu füllen? Du

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Ronnie Soak
I'm sorry. Here it is again in English: Eckhart, I've added a column for the Extended Conditions scheme to the examples table on the discussion page of the Conditional Restriction scheme. [1] (Why doesn't have the Extended Conditions scheme it's own examples?) Would you please help me fill in

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Ronnie, Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 16:17:07 schrieb Ronnie Soak: I've added a column for the Extended Conditions scheme to the examples table on the discussion page of the Conditional Restriction scheme. [1] (Why doesn't have the Extended Conditions scheme it's own examples?) It

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi All, Despite some of the perceived benefits of this proposal being challenged (mainly in regards to their relevance), the overwhelming thing that was clear was that this proposal was well thought out. Ole looked carefully at the feedback that was given during previous proposals and worked to

[Tagging] Monasteries - RFC

2012-09-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I'd like to ask all of you for comments and for missing communities: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=monastery cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Conditional Restrictions vs. Extended Conditions

2012-09-19 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi everybody, it probably comes as no surprise that I am against the Conditional Restrictions proposal and in favor of the Extended Conditions proposal. My main reason is that I believe the Conditional Restrictions proposal is so complicated it will kill mapping of those conditions almost

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging Conditional restrictions

2012-09-19 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi Rob, Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 18:08:30 schrieb Rob Nickerson: Despite some of the perceived benefits of this proposal being challenged (mainly in regards to their relevance), Except for one claimed benefit, I did not question the relevance of the claims, but their validity. Maybe

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-19 Thread André Pirard
Update. First, If I were asked, is there a map showing access restrictions? ;-) I've seen many showing speed limits, this and that, but I didn't spot any global one. I have been called by a Council secretary and I finally received an e-mail reply too. They asked what is that osm.org map? (I

Re: [Tagging] Conditional Restrictions vs. Extended Conditions

2012-09-19 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi everybody, it probably comes as no surprise that I am against the Conditional Restrictions proposal and in favor of the Extended Conditions proposal. My main reason is that I believe the Conditional Restrictions proposal is so complicated it will kill mapping of those conditions almost

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-19 Thread Martin Vonwald
Am 19.09.2012 um 20:36 schrieb André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com: BTW, I'm wondering about that forward. If I understood you correct(!) this restriction should block traffic going in. If anyone manages to get into the town without passing that signpost (don't ask me how) he is allowed to