Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-08-24 12:00 GMT+02:00 Fabrizio Carrai : > Hi Lorenzo, > my personal opinion is for tourism=attraction + attraction=acquarium. > I don't like attraction=aquarium, I'd rather have tourism=attraction+man_made=aquarium. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi
Il giorno dom, 24/08/2014 alle 17.03 -0500, John F. Eldredge ha scritto: > Just to let you know: there is no letter C in the English word > aquarium. > I've been careful. I always write it wrong too :) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
Just to let you know: there is no letter C in the English word aquarium. On August 24, 2014 5:00:29 AM CDT, Fabrizio Carrai wrote: > Hi Lorenzo, > my personal opinion is for tourism=attraction + attraction=acquarium. > My > rationale comes from a potential utilization of the tag and tags > comb

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 24/ago/2014, alle ore 12:00, Fabrizio Carrai > ha scritto: > > my personal opinion is for tourism=attraction + attraction=acquarium. Have a Look at current values, this doesn't fit into our system IMHO: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/attraction#values Cheers, Martin __

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 24/ago/2014, alle ore 14:03, Dan S ha > scritto: > > On the other hand, if you see an object tagged > > addr:housenumber=265-269 > addr:interpolation=odd > > then we can be quite confident that the mapper intended you to > interpret this as "265" and "267" and "269". Yes, but

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-24 20:11 GMT+02:00 John Packer : > I don't agree with the tourism=attraction argument. > > Isn't a museum a touristic attraction too? > At least as much as an aquarium. > Yet we don't tag it as tourism=attraction + attraction=museum > > As long as it is documented on the wiki, it shouldn't

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 24/ago/2014, alle ore 12:24, Friedrich Volkmann ha > scritto: > > The housenumber belongs on the building or building part, not the > entrance(s). In Germany house numbers belong mostly to the whole site, if necessary numbers can also be assigned to staircases or individual buil

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi
Il giorno dom, 24/08/2014 alle 20.29 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: > > > Il giorno 24/ago/2014, alle ore 20:11, John Packer > > ha scritto: > > > > I don't agree with the tourism=attraction argument. > > > +1, tourism=attraction is a poor scheme from the early days, maybe we should

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 24/ago/2014, alle ore 13:30, Friedrich Volkmann ha scritto: >> And now for caving. > > When there's a visible trail inside a cave, it's essentially the same as an > outside trail. Therefore, I support highway=path (or footway) in such a case. > > But I disadvise the mapping of non-

Re: [Tagging] usage of maxspeed:practical is described as recommended on wiki

2014-08-24 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > Il giorno 23/ago/2014, alle ore 21:08, Ilpo Järvinen > > ha scritto: > > > > How much of such ways that would be a candidate for maxspeed:practical > > > IMHO this is a highly subjective tag that depends heavily on your > driving abil

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 24/ago/2014, alle ore 20:11, John Packer > ha scritto: > > I don't agree with the tourism=attraction argument. +1, tourism=attraction is a poor scheme from the early days, maybe we should deprecate it all together, either without alternative or in favor of a flag like attracti

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 24/ago/2014, alle ore 13:25, Georg Feddern > ha scritto: > > Nevertheless e. g. all highway=residential are _designated_ by law - without > any signs at all... - designated for whom / as what? Can you expand what you are referring to here? cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread John Packer
I don't agree with the tourism=attraction argument. Isn't a museum a touristic attraction too? At least as much as an aquarium. Yet we don't tag it as tourism=attraction + attraction=museum As long as it is documented on the wiki, it shouldn't be a problem for people making queries in OSM. 201

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Volker Schmidt
The two-tag solution is definitely better Volker On 24 August 2014 12:00, Fabrizio Carrai wrote: > Hi Lorenzo, > my personal opinion is for tourism=attraction + attraction=acquarium. My > rationale comes from a potential utilization of the tag and tags > combinations. If I wants to query for a

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Fabrizio Carrai
The acquarium, like the zoos, are touristic attraction. See Tripadvisor if you want to have a "reference". It also make sense to use attraction=animal instead of attraction=zoo or acquarium. Doing that you continue the progressive level of definitions. So, in my opinion you could describe the Acqua

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 24.08.2014 13:31, Christian Quest wrote: > In that case, how should application resolve housenumbers ? > What tagging do you propose to allow it ? I wrote down some thoughts here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Multiple_addresses ...although I do now prefer addr2:* instead

Re: [Tagging] Wadi vs intermittent stream?

2014-08-24 Thread Tod Fitch
I was looking at OsmAndMapCreator as I was trying to address this on my cellphone first. A bit over a year ago I used Mapnik, pre-cartoCSS, and vaguely recall that I had to add some things to get osm2pgsql to support what I needed. One item I used was intermittent=yes but I can't recall if I ha

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-24 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 August 2014 16:10, Pieren wrote: > correct me if I'm wrong but a cave is always > underground Not strictly speaking; some are in the sides of (near) vertical cliff faces or mountain sides, with no horizontal, accessible ground above them. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewi

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi
I'm not sure that would be right to categorize a feature like this as an attraction. I see most of the attraction=* are used to tag singular things like amusement park games. There are many attraction=animal that is vague but I assume refer to more specific things than a zoo. What i want represent

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Dan S
Hi Christian, As I've already mentioned, in the other thread we discussed a disambiguation. I would suggest that if you find only addr:housenumber=265-269 then you can't really assume any interpolation, and I would argue that even transforming it to "265" and "269" is going beyond what the dat

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-24 Thread SomeoneElse
On 24/08/2014 11:43, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: For me, "designated" means that there's a respective sign, e.g. a cycleway sign => bicycle=designated. For compulsory use, *=official was introduced, but that tag is rather useless without a relation to the way where access is forbidden. I'd tend

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Christian Quest
In that case, how should application resolve housenumbers ? What tagging do you propose to allow it ? I'm working on the BANO project who aims to create a nationwide address database, using in part OSM data. I already have to deal with this kind of addr:housenumber=* For the moment, 265-269 is tr

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Dave Swarthout
+1 for tourism=attraction + attraction=aquarium I agree with Fabrizio on the use of the two-tag structure for aquaria. Cheers Dave On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Fabrizio Carrai wrote: > Hi Lorenzo, > my personal opinion is for tourism=attraction + attraction=acquarium. My > rationale comes

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-24 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 24.08.2014 12:43, schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: For me, "designated" means that there's a respective sign, e.g. a cycleway sign => bicycle=designated. yes that is the typically (non native-language?) (mis)understanding of designated - and guided by the phrase "A way _marked_ for a particular

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

2014-08-24 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 18.08.2014 17:10, Pieren wrote: > I'm afraid that the main problem here is not the use "location" or > "layer" or "cave" but "highway=path". This tag was created for > multiple vehicles ways, not exclusive to a transportation like > footways or cycleways. Currently the wiki tries to reflect this

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tagging for complex junctions or traffic signals that are named

2014-08-24 Thread Lukas Sommer
Hello everyone. In some countries (Japan, Korea…), people orient themselves in the local area using the names of road junctions or traffic signals rather then the names of streets. I have documented the current tagging practice for simple junctions at the following new wiki pages: http://wiki.op

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Dan S
2014-08-24 11:24 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann : > On 18.08.2014 22:36, Janko Mihelić wrote: >> What happens when the same entrance has two housenumbers, each from its own >> street? I'm sure this exists somewhere. > > The housenumber belongs on the building or building part, not the > entrance(s).

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-24 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 20.08.2014 13:44, SomeoneElse wrote: > On 20/08/2014 12:38, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> Currently only weakest reason to use this tag are described. I propose to >> add "Typically it is used on ways legally dedicated to specific modes of >> travel >> by a law or by the rules of traffic." as desc

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Dan S
2014-08-24 11:05 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann : > On 20.08.2014 10:18, Holger Jeromin wrote: >> Andreas Labres wrote on 20.08.2014 04:10: >>> On 19.08.14 23:17, fly wrote: but 265-267 is wrong >> >> Read as "tagging 265-267 alone is wrong". >> >>> Disagree. addr:housenumber is the official num

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 18.08.2014 22:36, Janko Mihelić wrote: > What happens when the same entrance has two housenumbers, each from its own > street? I'm sure this exists somewhere. The housenumber belongs on the building or building part, not the entrance(s). When a building (part) has two equivalent addresses, use

Re: [Tagging] Reproposal of tourism=aquarium

2014-08-24 Thread Fabrizio Carrai
Hi Lorenzo, my personal opinion is for tourism=attraction + attraction=acquarium. My rationale comes from a potential utilization of the tag and tags combinations. If I wants to query for all and only acquariums, a query on "attraction=acquarium" will work. Viceversa, if we rise one step above and

Re: [Tagging] Wadi vs intermittent stream?

2014-08-24 Thread Hans De Kryger
Thanks Matthijs, i was about to submit a render request for it. Regards, Hans On Aug 24, 2014 2:50 AM, "Matthijs Melissen" wrote: > On 23 August 2014 22:52, Tod Fitch wrote: > > With at least one renderer that I am looking at, the default database > creation tool supports waterway=wadi but not

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-24 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 20.08.2014 10:18, Holger Jeromin wrote: > Andreas Labres wrote on 20.08.2014 04:10: >> On 19.08.14 23:17, fly wrote: >>> but 265-267 is wrong > > Read as "tagging 265-267 alone is wrong". > >> Disagree. addr:housenumber is the official number given to that building. >> And if >> it's "265-267

Re: [Tagging] Wadi vs intermittent stream?

2014-08-24 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 23 August 2014 22:52, Tod Fitch wrote: > With at least one renderer that I am looking at, the default database > creation tool supports waterway=wadi but not intermittent=*. I'm not sure what you are looking at. The latest version of osm2pgsql does support intermittent: https://github.com/gra

Re: [Tagging] Wadi vs intermittent stream?

2014-08-24 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 02:52:41PM -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > So which is the preferred tagging? > > If waterway=wadi then I have some OSM editing to do but at least the renderer > should be easy. If waterway=stream, intermittent=yes then I need to get some > changes done by the project who's re

Re: [Tagging] Wadi vs intermittent stream?

2014-08-24 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 23.08.2014 23:52, Tod Fitch wrote: > When looking into how to render them I have become aware of an alternative > tagging of waterway=wadi as mentioned at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dwadi That page was created in 2013, probably to document existing usage (12000 by now)